femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 191
Today's Topics:
Re: Stretching Limits:
Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Greetings
A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
Re: Working for Her
Re: Dungeons for rent?
Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
Re: Greetings
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 05:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (FemSupremacy)
Subject: Re: Stretching Limits:
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Kalika wrote:
> I feel that it is solidly the responsibility of the
male, as the
> representative of the male principle, to accede to the
wishes / desires of
> the Goddess. In doing so, he may, if it has been
previously agreed to, or if
> this is an occasion of "open" dialog ... he may then
offer to Her, his
> readiness to assist Her in the expansion of Her
"horizons". However, if this
> has not been agreed to previously, and it is not now a
time of open dialog /
> discussion, then he must wait until such a time
occurs. At no time, should
> he make even the *slightest* effort to "push" his
desires / wishes, on Her.
>
> If She allows him to make this offering, but She
declines for whatever
> reason (an no reason need be given IMHO), the matter
is *closed* until the
> next scheduled "dialog". Certainly, a Goddess may find
pleasure in knowing
> that Her male wishes to "extend" himself in order to
please / pleasure Her
> ... and this knowledge, when properly offered, can in
and of itself, be a
> source of pleasure for Her, even if She has no
interest in such an
> expansion, at this time.
>
> IMHO, males need to learn patience ... they need to
learn to subdue the male
> ego and focus on the wishes of the Goddess, ... to
remain quiet ... to
> observe and learn ... to accept deference to Her as a
natural occurance.
> (This could also, sometimes, be taken to apply to
males on this List .)
>
> In so doing, he will grow both in his ability to
please Her, and also his
> opportunity to experience the joy, the bliss that can
occur when the ego is
> made quiet and the true essence of the male principle
then comes forth. This
> is an occasion of joy for all ... it is, really, a
natural thing.
Well, I'm not going to go off over your early use of
'always', and I most
certainly agree that most people, probably males above all,
should learn
a lot more patience. But I may take some exception with the
last sentence,
first quoted paragraph, "At no time should he make the
*slightest* effort
to push his desires on Her."
Now, I note also the references to dialogs in which the
male can express
himself, presumably in terms of his feelings, needs, and
desires, and I do
see where these might be sufficient to allay my concerns.
It'd all depend
on the frequency and nature of the dialogs, and how much
communication was
allowed on the part of the male....
If they're infrequent enough, then I personally wouldn't
think it improper
for him to bring something to the Lady's attention.
'Pushing' his wishes
on her, perhaps, but hopefully not in a demanding way. For
instance....
He might be getting stressed out, perhaps from a need for a
little more af-
fection, perhaps a need for the catharsis of some pain. If
it's been too
long since a period of open communication in which he was
formally allowed
to bring such matters up, I wouldn't think it improper for
him to subtly
bring it to his Lady's attention - she may be Goddess, but
she's probably
not omniscient.
The key, imo, is patience - not expecting instant
gratification, and not
bringing it up at the first pangs of longing. Acceding to
her will is all
good and fine, yes; indeed, I'd think that he should be
going out of his
way to please her, before bringing something up. But it's
still a
relationship, one in which both (or all) party's needs must
be met, else
the relationship is likely to eventually self-destruct.
Again, I'm not sure that what Kalika wrote, and meant, is
contrary to what
I just did; just a matter of slightly differing emphasis.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
the subject "help".
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:24:46 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Message-ID:
FE>Only when the younger generation*girls* are
FE>stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to
expand to a dynamic worl
FE>with political power.
FE>Please forward opinions and ideas.
FE>_Xantippe Movement_.
I have two daughters, aged 23 & 26, who are both
powerful, well-educated and devout feminists.
Each has devoted her professional life to adressing
the problems of powerlessness in less fortunate
women's lives.
So, we are on our way!
B
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: 27 Aug 96 09:42:11 EDT
From: Marissa <103267.1522@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:femsupremacy@renaissoft.com"
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Xantippe writes:
>Only when the younger generation*girls* are
stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to expand
to a dynamic
worldwide movement
with political power.
Please forward opinions and ideas.
_Xantippe Movement_<<br />
Actually, what younger generation Women require are
positive Female role models
that demonstrate what is possible in their lives both
personally and
professionally. Then and only then may FS grow to its full
potential.
I grew up with a mother who was a university professor who
also demonstrated
through her support of my actions that anything I wished to
try for was
obtainable. Additionally, she was extremely comfortable and
confident in her
sexuality and self-image. We shared many happy hours
discussing my
hopes/desires/fears for the future as well as a number of
conversation about how
better things might be if Women were viewed differently.
It was also obvious now in retrospect that my household was
a microcosm of FS in
action as Mom was the breadwinner and Dad deferred to her
on most key issues. He
also adored and worshipped her. From this setting I am sure
I formulated my
opinions and then added to them relative to FS. I only hope
that if and when
someday I have a Daughter, I can be half as successful with
her as Mom was with
me.
Marissa
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:32:41 -0700
From: lalaura@ix.netcom.com
To: xantippe@cd-online.nl
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
>
>Only when the younger generation*girls* are
>stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to
expand to a dynamic
worldwide movement
>with political power.
>Please forward opinions and ideas.
>
>_Xantippe Movement_.
Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe movement"
person, and why
the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a fig
for "her" opinion?
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume there is
at least one actual person behind this so-called movement,
and I'd
ordinarily like to know who the hell it is, but in this
case I have been
given no good reason. If "xantippe movement"'s expressed
views were at
least fresh, either heartfelt or interesting or both, then
maybe I'd be
intrigued, but the way it stands, it looks like some lonely
sub trying to
defraud femdom women into corresponding via email.
As for the idea of uniting femdoms and female supremacists
worldwide, lots
of us are already working on it and have been for decades,
and no Janie-
come-lately who doesn't know her history and who has no
name is going to
improve much on the good work that's already been done.
Laura Goodwin
Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
thing I know how to fast!
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:32:54 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Message-ID:
FE>We are looking for LADIES/GIRLS for the promotion,set
up,and management of a
FE>inwhere the later global FS is imitated.
FE>Please respond.
FE>No submales..unless intended to sponsor
FE>support,or contribute.
FE>_Xantippe Movement_.
May I have more information, please?
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:50:19 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
Patricia...
introduction would have been nice
lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
> >
> >Only when the younger generation*girls* are
> >stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able
to expand to a dynamic
> worldwide movement
> >with political power.
> >Please forward opinions and ideas.
> >
> >_Xantippe Movement_.
>
> Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe
movement" person, and why
> the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a
fig for "her" opinion?
>
> Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement...I assume there is
> at least one actual person behind this so-called
movement, and I'd
> ordinarily like to know who the hell it is, but in
this case I have been
> given no good reason. If "xantippe movement"'s
expressed views were at
> least fresh, either heartfelt or interesting or both,
then maybe I'd be
> intrigued, but the way it stands, it looks like some
lonely sub trying to
> defraud femdom women into corresponding via email.
>
> As for the idea of uniting femdoms and female
supremacists worldwide, lots
> of us are already working on it and have been for
decades, and no Janie-
> come-lately who doesn't know her history and who has
no name is going to
> improve much on the good work that's already been
done.
>
> Laura Goodwin
>
> Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
> all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
> thing I know how to fast!
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:51:37 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
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besides...i am neither a lady or a girl...nor do I aspire
to be one....
Patricia
sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM wrote:
>
> FE>We are looking for LADIES/GIRLS for the
promotion,set up,and management of a
> FE>inwhere the later global FS is imitated.
> FE>Please respond.
> FE>No submales..unless intended to sponsor
> FE>support,or contribute.
>
> FE>_Xantippe Movement_.
>
> May I have more information, please?
> CybErotiComm Online
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Noble Patricia wrote:
> I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
> Patricia...
> introduction would have been nice
> lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe
movement" person, and why
> > the hell should any true femdoms give a feather
or a fig for "her" opinion?
This Xantippe person appears to be a male, 52 years old,
over in Europe,
with a persecution complex and plans to come to the USA,
who among other
things is looking for some generous soul to house him in
the name of
furthering female supremacy. :)
Aren't you glad you asked for an introduction? Note: This
information
culled from xantippe's -public- postings on alt.sex.femdom.
> > Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement...
*chuckle* Yep. I thought -I- was pretty arrogant, but....
;-)
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:14:52 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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good information and sleuthing.....good job
Patricia
Chase Vogelsberg wrote:
>
> This Xantippe person appears to be a male, 52 years
old, over in Europe,
> with a persecution complex and plans to come to the
USA, who among other
> things is looking for some generous soul to house him
in the name of
> furthering female supremacy. :)
>
> Aren't you glad you asked for an introduction? Note:
This information
> culled from xantippe's -public- postings on
alt.sex.femdom.
>
> > > Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement...
>
> *chuckle* Yep. I thought -I- was pretty arrogant,
but.... ;-)
>
> -- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart
of darkness.
> -- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
> --
> -- The trouble with hell is that the ambient
temperature is above the flash
> -- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over
your drink.
> -- Alexis A Gilliland
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Greetings
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Marissa and eric wrote:
> After awhile lurking and reading the wonderful
postings on this list, I
> have decided to come out into the open. My name is
Marissa and my husband
> is eric/maid erica. We have been involved in a FS
lifestyle for a number
> of years and while I knew there were others like
ourselves, I have never
> previously felt comfortable being open about it with
others. My thanks to
> all of you for providing the environment in which to
do so. We look
> forward to being active participants in the community.
Greetings an' salutations - nice to have you here with us,
so to speak. :)
I'm glad to hear you found this a comfortable space /
environment; not all
the people here on the list are FS (or even femdom)
lifestylers, but I
think you'll find that anyone who isn't at least friendly
towards such is
encouraged to leave the list faster than they joined. Then
again, you've
been lurking a while, so you already know that. ;)
Blessed be,
Chase
PS: Dee-Anne, see? I -can- post a nice friendly something
or other from
time to time.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (Female Supremacy List)
Subject: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
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Friends-
I am doing my best to stay lurked until after the US Labor
Day weekend and
possibly longer, at least until my new PC is here and up
and I finish the
work I am doing at the behest of both my SWMBO and my Wise
Woman teacher
(otherwise unnamed). I owe some of you private mail for
some very kind
posts you have made, and I've got the guilts about that.
But several posts
have prompted me to post before I should.
'Twas I who wrote to the Xantippe 'movement' and invited
'them' to join us
here and on alt.women.supremacy. When I did this, I had all
the Usenet
information noted by Lawless and had in mind all the usual
reservations
expressed here today and some of my own as well: it's the
cops, it's a
19-year-old guy in a turned around baseball cap eating
chocolate-chip
cookies, it's a 52-old-guy (which makes him almost =my=
age, Heaven
forfend), it's the Religious Reich, etc. It even occurred
to me that
_mirabile dictu_ they could be who they say they are!
Usually when I privately write to people to tell them about
this List, I
make sure to say something like, 'as long as you don't
flame and treat
everyone with respect it's a _safe place_.' It has always
been a safe
place for me with my _really_ nutty Dead White Male ideas
and less than
Ladylike attitude, for which I am grateful to all of you:
can't it also
be that way for someone whose only real difficulty seems to
be a less
than perfect command of English and a slight cluelessness
about the good
work that has been done before, on & off the Net?
Forgive me all this effrontery from a sincere if bratty
little brother,
but I find this reception of Xantippe something less than
Sisterly.
Besides, I'd like to hear a _lot_ more about their idea of
networked
small FS communities, because, like it or not, the time of
tribalism is
upon us, folks. Chou-En-Lai said, "Let a hundred flowers
bloom."
Peace to all, and welcome Xantippe, whoever you are :)
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Working for Her
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Thanks to the wonderfully supple mind of the mysteriously
named zbobz and
to our new friends Marissa and eric -to whom Welcome!- for
this inspired
thread.
THe resaon I haven't been posting here is because I have
been up to my
uhm, eyeballs in Working For Her -several Hers, in fact-
these last
several weeks. This in fact has been my life for the last 4
or 5 years,
and it is getting more and more like this all the time.
All of my customers/clients except one are now Women, and
all of the
people I work with -they can no longer be called
'subcontractors,' can
they?- on different jobs are Women. It's a loose gaggle
-call it a guild
if you wish- of mostly post-corporate entrepreneuses who
are very aware of
themselves both as Women and as sovereign in the market and
elsewhere in
public life. One is my SWMBO of some years, others are
longtime friends,
some are fairly new but trusted acquaintances.
This arrangement now extends to well beyond making a
living: my spiritual
life, my money (such as it is) and most other aspects of my
life are now
in the hands of Women. My MD is still male- a very
enlightened one- but
that's about it.
There are other men in this community here and there, but
the whole tone
and spirit of all that we do is manifestly Feminine. Not
only are we
post-corporate, but live by the values of cooperation,
communication,
trust and a loosely circular view of power relationships.
Most of us feel
that we have transcended- and will outlive- the old
economic model of
competition, covetousness, exclusion, cynicism and
hierarchy. We feel that
we actually understand capital and investment in a way that
the good ol'
boys -whom I have deserted- never did. And when we're
cookin,' the money
is pretty good, too. :)
but
We are not Utopia: Earlier this summer I took a real
economic hit because
I strayed back into the old way of thinking about business
relationships,
and it will take me a year or two at least to dig out of
that little hole.
But this time I have the Big Sisters, the guild, the Tribe,
by whatever
name, there to help me and wish me well, and to keep me
busy. :)
The Women I work with, and their men, come in all flavors-
some are 'in
the Life' with crops and needles, some are a rich French
Vanilla; some are
as witchy as any of you, some are Christians; the ages
range from late 20s
to about 60, 3 are straight, the majority are richly bi, a
strong minority
are joyous, righteous dykes. All are Feminists of one
stripe or another
and all have a rich sense of both personal and collective
Womanhood. All
have a story of really hard times and have definitely paid
their dues. In
other words, they're a lot like You. :) Whatever my current
woes, in this
Sisterscape that surrounds me I am richly blessed.
Thanks to Marissa for giving us the 'look and feel' of a
Womanshaped
workplace: It's a much saner, calmer place, and my
impression is that
males who work for Women are far more realized as
individuals and in
their creative echoes than those still trapped in the boys'
club. Or so
it is with me (with or without the toenail polish- sounds
yummy, I admit).
Free at last,
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:10:45 -0800
From: leather@zephyr.net (leather)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Dungeons for rent?
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jwaren wrote:
>does anyone know if it is possible to rent a room or
whatever equipped as a
>dungeon with all the basics to set the proper mood ? To
make this even more
>difficult might there be something of this nature
located in the midwest ?
I don't know if you can access this publication in the
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:28:28 -0700
From: lalaura@ix.netcom.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
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I just saw the movie *12 Monkeys* (finally) and thought it
totally rocked.
My kids didn't understand the ending...I said it's a happy
ending, because
the lady scientist there on the plane means that they are
wise to the bad
guys and will stop them, saving humanity. I believe it's
possible that
even the Bruce Willis character can be saved, why not? They
go back in
time, don't they? :)
I noticed lately lots of cool female characters in film.
All the women in
*Pulp Fiction* weren't your usual molls. We are talking
interesting women
characters who show intelligence and grit. They have
adventurous lives.
The Doctor played by Madeline Stowe in *12 Monkeys* is an
example.
Laura Goodwin
Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
thing I know how to fast!
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
Marissa wrote:
>
> After awhile lurking and reading the wonderful
postings on this list, I have
> decided to come out into the open. My name is Marissa
and my husband's name is
> eric/maid erica. We have been involved in a FS
lifestyle for a number of years
> and while I knew there were others like ourselves, I
have never previously felt
> comfortable being open about it with others. My thanks
to all of you for
> providing the environment in which to do so. We look
forward to being active
> participants in the community.
I'm so glad that you feel this list is a comfy place. :)
Welcome!
Dee-Ann
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 192
Today's Topics:
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
get your information correct TONY
Xantippe gets boofed up
Re: get your information correct TONY
Re: Xantippe gets boofed up
empusae has one of THOSE addresses
this one went wrong place too
Re: Working for Her
Re: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
Re: this one went wrong place too
Re: get your information correct TONY
Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:39:51 -0700
You wrote:
>
>I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
>Patricia...
>introduction would have been nice
>
>lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
>> >
>> >Only when the younger generation*girls* are
>> >stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be
able to expand to a
dynamic
>> worldwide movement
>> >with political power.
>> >Please forward opinions and ideas.
>> >
>> >_Xantippe Movement_.
>>
>> Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe
movement" person,
and why
>> the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or
a fig for "her"
opinion?
>>
>> Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement...I assume
there is
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a flame, in
that (1)
you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant" without
making a
good-faith effort at understanding what her/his motives and
underlying
messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical fire by
further
labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping the
poster in the
face before you learned anything about her/his ideas. (All
in all,
these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics, to
me!) And to
think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily by
many of the
regular contributors to this group (including, I believe,
yourself) for
using somewhat milder language in response to what I still
contend were
pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or unwitting.
Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe" are
aimed at
"femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are simply
aimed at
proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on the
giving or
receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level at
these posts
is that they are too brief and the English is not perfect.
Otherwise,
they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely wish
the poster
would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
she/he is having a little trouble communicating in perfect
English (we
all make mistakes from time to time).
Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
Tony
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:41:58 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: get your information correct TONY
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excuse me Tony..i don't know what your beef against me is
but.....I did
not write the statement: pretty arrogant shit....what is
your
problem....I did not deserve the first crap you gave
me...and I
certainly don't deserve this one....It was Laura who wrote
the
original..."> >> Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a
whole damn
movement." If you would thoughtfully read your email
instead of blindly
thrashing about for something I might have done wrong..so
you can attack
me again...you would have known that.
You still have never apologized to me for the first one,
and you will
probably never apologize for this one either. You are
continually an
abuser...and this is the final straw.
I am asking you to get off of this list, or I will. You are
negative,
destructive and looking for a woman to abuse...I will not
let you have
at me twice. In the real world once would have thrown you
out on your
ass. But even in this world I do not deserve and will not
allow myself
to be a victim of your misplaced,ignorant, testosterone
driven, blind
wrath.
So Laura he's talking about what you said here, and I
assume you have
some feelings about his attack on you as well......
As to the continuation of these advertisements by X...this
is a
community of people first. Throwing wild advertisements
here is
inappropriate without first introducing yourself and having
some sense
of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a house
on a country
lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while you
slept...almost
like an invasion.
Patricia
Tony wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement...I assume
> there is
>
> Patricia:
>
> Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty
arrogant shit")
> constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the
spirit and the
> by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a
flame, in that (1)
> you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant"
without making a
> good-faith effort at understanding what her/his
motives and underlying
> messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical
fire by further
> labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping
the poster in the
> face before you learned anything about her/his ideas.
(All in all,
> these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics,
to me!) And to
> think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily
by many of the
> regular contributors to this group (including, I
believe, yourself) for
> using somewhat milder language in response to what I
still contend were
> pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or
unwitting.
>
> Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe"
are aimed at
> "femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are
simply aimed at
> proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
> with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on
the giving or
> receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level
at these posts
> is that they are too brief and the English is not
perfect. Otherwise,
> they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely
wish the poster
> would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
> she/he is having a little trouble communicating in
perfect English (we
> all make mistakes from time to time).
>
> Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
>
> Tony
>
>
___________________________________________________________________
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listmaster@renaissoft.com.
> For a list and description of supported mailing list
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> mail to femsupremacy-request@renaissoft.com with the
subject "help".
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
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Non original-primary thinking will not lead to anything.
Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
_Xantippe MOVEMENT_
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:58:26 -0500
From: kriv@interlog.com (peter)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: get your information correct TONY
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I vote for Patricia to remain and Tony to leave.
Patricia, please do us a favor and just delete his postings
when you see
they've arrived.
peter
>
>
>excuse me Tony..i don't know what your beef against me
is but.....I did
>not write the statement: pretty arrogant shit....what
is your
>problem....I did not deserve the first crap you gave
me...and I
>certainly don't deserve this one....It was Laura who
wrote the
>original..."> >> Pretty arrogant shit, posing
as a whole damn
>movement." If you would thoughtfully read your email
instead of blindly
>thrashing about for something I might have done
wrong..so you can attack
>me again...you would have known that.
>
>You still have never apologized to me for the first
one, and you will
>probably never apologize for this one either. You are
continually an
>abuser...and this is the final straw.
>I am asking you to get off of this list, or I will. You
are negative,
>destructive and looking for a woman to abuse...I will
not let you have
>at me twice. In the real world once would have thrown
you out on your
>ass. But even in this world I do not deserve and will
not allow myself
>to be a victim of your misplaced,ignorant, testosterone
driven, blind
>wrath.
>
>So Laura he's talking about what you said here, and I
assume you have
>some feelings about his attack on you as well......
>
>As to the continuation of these advertisements by
X...this is a
>community of people first. Throwing wild advertisements
here is
>inappropriate without first introducing yourself and
having some sense
>of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a
house on a country
>lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
>has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while
you slept...almost
>like an invasion.
>Patricia
>
>Tony wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >> Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole
damn movement...I assume
>> there is
>>
>> Patricia:
>>
>> Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty
arrogant shit")
>> constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the
spirit and the
>> by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a
flame, in that (1)
>> you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant"
without making a
>> good-faith effort at understanding what her/his
motives and underlying
>> messages were; (2) you added fuel to the
rhetorical fire by further
>> labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically
slapping the poster in the
>> face before you learned anything about her/his
ideas. (All in all,
>> these sound like typically male "Neanderthal"
tactics, to me!) And to
>> think that a few months ago, I was berated
summarily by many of the
>> regular contributors to this group (including, I
believe, yourself) for
>> using somewhat milder language in response to what
I still contend were
>> pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or
unwitting.
>>
>> Also, how do you know that these posts from
"xantippe" are aimed at
>> "femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they
are simply aimed at
>> proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who
have nothing to do
>> with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it
on the giving or
>> receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly
level at these posts
>> is that they are too brief and the English is not
perfect. Otherwise,
>> they are interesting and provocative, and I
sincerely wish the poster
>> would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
>> she/he is having a little trouble communicating in
perfect English (we
>> all make mistakes from time to time).
>>
>> Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
___________________________________________________________________
>> Questions and comments should be sent to
listmaster@renaissoft.com.
>> For a list and description of supported mailing
list commands, send
>> mail to femsupremacy-request@renaissoft.com with
the subject "help".
>
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:24:22 +0000
From: "Empusae"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Xantippe gets boofed up
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> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
> To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
> Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
> Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> Non original-primary thinking will not lead to
anything. Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
>
> _Xantippe MOVEMENT_
>From the looks of the postings, you certainly have
stirred up alot of
non-original primary thinking...like "I dont like you and
what you
say, so I am going to take my toys and go home.
Empusae
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:00:06 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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and what the Hera does non-original primary thinking mean.
If it is not
original...it is a copy of something else. If it is primary
...like the
primary numbers it is unique onto itself and cannot be
divided by any
other number but itself...
so I guess we are being accused of not original, original
thinking....heavy....my mere female brain reels
is it related to snakes and original sin?
"The time has come,"
the Walrus said, "To talk of many things:
of shoes,
and ships,
and sealing wax,
of cabbages and kings,
and why the sea is boiling hot,
and whether pigs have wings."
from: Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Patricia
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:01:41 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: this one went wrong place too
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what is happening to this list. it is deteriorating
quickly.
if this person would have introduced themselves instead of
flooding my
mail box with some message for ladies and girls....
who is taking their toys and going home...my message to
tony had nothing
to do with the X stuff...if this is going to become the
femsupremacy
place ads for whatever you want list....it is not what I
joined for.
I joined to dialogue with intelligent women and men and not
be drowned
in ads from strangers.
Patricia
Empusae wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
> > To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> > From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
> > Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
> > Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
>
> > Non original-primary thinking will not lead to
anything. Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
> >
> > _Xantippe MOVEMENT_
>
> >From the looks of the postings, you certainly have
stirred up alot of
> non-original primary thinking...like "I dont like you
and what you
> say, so I am going to take my toys and go home.
>
> Empusae
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:34:59 -0400
From: Oldlow@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Working for Her
Message-ID:
<960828083458_395871825@emout10.mail.aol.com>
The correspondence about working for her struck a deep
chord in my memory.
For some years I ran my own small consultancy to Computer
Graphics firms.
About eight years ago, I worked for one such which was
quite a substantial
competitor in the commercial typesetting business. The CEO
was a woman in her
forties named Martha. Gradually, she spent more and more
time with me. Our
relationship lasted about two years. In the beginning, our
awareness of the
unspoken nature of it excited us both, I think. There never
was an overt
sexual component, but I had a deeply satisfying time of it,
and, I like to
think she did, too.
Within months, I found myself accepting a vice-presidency
in her company, but
Martha also allowed me to assume the duties of a private
secretary. We flew
back and forth between Boston and one or another European
city about once a
month. Martha spoke no European languages. I do, so I think
I was as useful
arranging salon appointments as sales represeentative
meetings. I could tell
when she was tiring, and would usualy arrange a cancellable
appointment with
a beauty salon for late in the afternoon. She loved having
facials. So did I,
but I never infringed on my position by asking to join her
at the same salon.
Nevertheless, she recognized this and allowed me the time
for my own small
pleasures, sometimes sending me off for a massage or facial
she had already
paid for.
I did more and more for her. We shopped together. I hemmed
and made small
alterations to her new purchases in my hotel room at night.
I'm sure she realized quite soon that I wore women's
underwear as a matter of
habit, so, once when we were pressed for time in Hamburg, I
offered to wash
some of her necessaries along with my own. After that, it
was an unspoken
agreement. I took care of both our wardrobes, always going
to her room in the
evening when I knew she wasn't there to collect the wash
and to leave a
freshly-laundered and folded nightgown on her bed after I'd
turned it down. I
helped with makeup, with long conferences on dressing, and
with small details
of her person. More than once I gave her a pedicure of an
evening when there
had been no time for a salon and there was an early flight
in the morning. I
loved to see her glorying in her healthy womanhood. It made
deeply happy in
the certainty that I had contributed some small component
to her joy of life.
Martha was married, but her husband had another position.
He never travelled
with her. Martha was by nature a dominant woman. I adored
her and wondered
occasionally about her marriage. Perhaps it was not unlike
her relationship
with me which based on unspoken acceptance of feminine
dominance and
masculine submission.
During that time, the unacknowleged relationship we were
enjoying gave me the
greatest delight. I think my actual work for the company
was of a better
quality than I regularly could achieve because my
relationship with Martha
was so deeply fulfilling. This suggests to me that as women
become ever more
senior in business, as the glass ceiling shatters, there
will be many men who
have the opportunity to find an important component of
themselves and their
masculinity through submisive-dominant relationships with
women at work, and
Isn't that an optimistic notion to treasure in these grey
times?
Thank you for the chance to share this, and to recall that
happy episode in
my life!
Malcolm
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
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Coyote Sings wrote:
> 'Twas I who wrote to the Xantippe 'movement' and
invited 'them' to join us
> here and on alt.women.supremacy. When I did this, I
had all the Usenet
> information noted by Lawless and had in mind all the
usual reservations
> expressed here today and some of my own as well: it's
the cops, it's a
> 19-year-old guy in a turned around baseball cap eating
chocolate-chip
> cookies, it's a 52-old-guy (which makes him almost
=my= age, Heaven
> forfend), it's the Religious Reich, etc. It even
occurred to me that
> _mirabile dictu_ they could be who they say they are!
>
> Usually when I privately write to people to tell them
about this List, I
> make sure to say something like, 'as long as you don't
flame and treat
> everyone with respect it's a _safe place_.' It has
always been a safe
> place for me with my _really_ nutty Dead White Male
ideas and less than
> Ladylike attitude, for which I am grateful to all of
you: can't it also
> be that way for someone whose only real difficulty
seems to be a less
> than perfect command of English and a slight
cluelessness about the good
> work that has been done before, on & off the Net?
Feh. Coyote, I hadda a feeling someone told him about the
list, but....
You actually read all Xantippe's Girlie ads (I won't call
them posts) on
asfd an' invited him here, apparently without even thinking
to suggest
that he/she/it/them lurk a while and -not- make the kinds
of posts he did
on Usenet? I guess I'm not really surprised.... Not at all
in a bad
kinda way, mind you - more a matter of you being -too-
nice. ;)
> Forgive me all this effrontery from a sincere if
bratty little brother,
> but I find this reception of Xantippe something less
than Sisterly.
Less than Sisterly? I disagree - even sisters get a little
peeved when
they start getting flooded with sloppy little notes
basically asking
them to give their names, (email) addresses, and personal
information to
someone who doesn't know them, doesn't bother to introduce
themselves,
and addresses them in what feels like a patronizing kind of
way.
> Besides, I'd like to hear a _lot_ more about their
idea of networked
> small FS communities, because, like it or not, the
time of tribalism is
> upon us, folks. Chou-En-Lai said, "Let a hundred
flowers bloom."
*blink* Wasn't aware we'd heard -any- of his/their ideas -
just someone
asking GIRLs and LADYs to contact him, and that
males(submales) shouldn't
unless planning to offer financial support for what seems
an awful lot
like personal fetishistic fantasies.
-- \_awless is : Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
-- In your head, no car is fast enough,
-- In your heart, no love is true.
-- Will it ruin all your solitary fancies
-- If I tell you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:56:00 +0000
From: "The Night-Hag"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:00:06 -0700
> From: Patricia
> Organization: MAINartery
> To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> Subject: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
> Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> and what the Hera does non-original primary thinking
mean. If it is not
> original...it is a copy of something else. If it is
primary ...like the
> primary numbers it is unique onto itself and cannot be
divided by any
> other number but itself...
> so I guess we are being accused of not original,
original
> thinking....heavy....my mere female brain reels
> is it related to snakes and original sin?
>
I am not sure what you are trying to imply about my email
address?
You have sent mulitple copies of this post in private email
to me.
I have one of THOSE addresses? It is a simple address so
that even
simple people can write to it. Empusae@ibm.net
Implying it is one of _ THOSE addresses_ might give someone
the impression
I am from AOL.
Empusae...The Night-Hag
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:13:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: imagery@biddeford.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: this one went wrong place too
Message-Id:
<199608281413.KAA02349@mail.biddeford.com>
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At 08:01 AM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>what is happening to this list. it is deteriorating
quickly.
>if this person would have introduced themselves instead
of flooding my
>mail box with some message for ladies and girls....
>who is taking their toys and going home...my message to
tony had nothing
>to do with the X stuff...if this is going to become the
femsupremacy
>place ads for whatever you want list....it is not what
I joined for.
>
>I joined to dialogue with intelligent women and men and
not be drowned
>in ads from strangers.
>Patricia
I am wondering if I am missing some of the posts from here,
I haven't
been flooded with ads. I do agree with you; I look forward
to intelligent
conversation too.
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: get your information correct TONY
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Great - on one hand we've got Tony once again demonstrating
an inability
to read clearly when it gives him an opportunity to be
catty and get
back at someone he has a grudge against, on the other, a
good member of
the list laying down "Either you go or I go" ultimatums.
Sorry, Patricia - while I do understand where you're coming
from, in not
wanting to read this list if you're going to have to wade
through posts
like Tony's and Xantippe's, I do think it's going
overboard, if not out
of line, to make such statements. I'd -much- rather see the
two of them
leave then you, or Laura Goodwin, or Coyote -- but so
long's its just one
or two such people that offend, you can always delete their
posts without
reading. And then wait for social Darwinism to either
induce them to
evolve, or to find an environmental niche more compatible
with them.
Patricia concluded:
> As to the continuation of these advertisements by
X...this is a
> community of people first. Throwing wild
advertisements here is
> inappropriate without first introducing yourself and
having some sense
> of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a
house on a country
> lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
> has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while
you slept...almost
> like an invasion.
Exactly - it feels like sleazy advertisements showing up in
your kitchen,
or in your Reader's Digest or what not.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:28:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (FemSupremacy)
Subject: Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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The Night Hag wrote:
> I am not sure what you are trying to imply about my
email address?
> You have sent mulitple copies of this post in private
email to me.
> I have one of THOSE addresses? It is a simple address
so that even
> simple people can write to it. Empusae@ibm.net
> Implying it is one of _ THOSE addresses_ might give
someone the
> impression I am from AOL.
She's not implying anything - she's pointing out the fact
that you've
one of those 'Reply-To:' lines that make people's automatic
replies go
to you instead of the list. *That* is why you get multiple
copies -
because they send it to you personally, notice, and resend
to the list.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
Re: When Malcolm Worked For Her
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Submissive pushing dominant.
Discarding Women
Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Sandbox play can get pretty gritty
Is it Always Like This?
FS exciting in action
Re: Stretching Limits:
Re: Is it Always Like This?
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Change of topic
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
books
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: When Malcolm Worked For Her
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Paul/maidpaula wrote:
> Malcolm- No, thank *you* for relating your experience.
Your views on
> female supremacy are enlightening and a pleasure to
read.
>
> It sounds like it was a special and successful
relationship for you both,
> albeit "unacknowledged". It will be interesting to see
how
> employer-employee relations evolve over time as women
achieve greater power
> in the business world. I imagine they will change for
the better, but I
> also have a small fear that power is just plain
corruptable to many,
> regardless of gender. I hope my fear is unfounded,
only time will tell of
> course.
I agree - Malcolm's post was pleasant reading; not to
mention something I
can relate to. I often do ver' good work, mostly when I'm
keyed up over
something interesting or exciting that I'm doing. But, I
consistently do
decent work at minimum when I've had a woman boss or
coworker whom I liked
and respected - in essence, I did better because I'd be
viewing it as doing
better for her. Given that I generally strive for a modicum
of profession-
ality, they'd never know -why- I did better, but.... ;)
So far as the fear about power and corruptability, well....
Definately,
both genders are susceptable to being corrupted. But -
power corrupts
most those who seek it for its own sake. And in general,
I've found
that women tend to acquire or seek power secondarily,
almost as a side
effect. They do good work - so they get promoted to
management, super-
visory, or executive positions, despite a system often
unfavorable to
them. Or they seek power - but because they need it for a
reason, be it
to correct problems with school systems, or economic
issues, or whatnot.
Those types, female or male, are less likely to be
corrupted, or at least
to a lesser extent. An' given that I find them more often
on the Goddess'
side of the gender line, I think things may well change for
the better as
women continue to gain equal influence, and then more. :)
Regards,
Chase / Lawless
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:53:34 -0500
From: Roland Foy
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Good call Dee Ann. You have protected this group from
what was little more than a cyber-stalker (and an
inarticulate one at that).
Roland
Why did god(dess) create men first? You always start with
the
proto-type, filled with bugs and imperfections. She did
how-
ever create a rather nice finished product on the second
try!
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:55:44 -0700
From: Spirit Wind
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
Subject: Submissive pushing dominant.
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Laura wrote:
> I have been pushed a lot more than I have been
> persuaded, and persuasion is better. The problem
arises when you have a
> dominant who is not into what you are into.
The trouble with most of us men is, we subtly try to
manipulate our
wives and girlfriends into doing what turns us on, and we
are not shy
about using manipulative, phony tricks to get what we want.
It's bogus,
and wrong. Until we learn to stop being manipulative, and
truly
submissive and quite, listening and obeying, we will never
achieve true
spiritual calmness and bliss. To be truly submissive to a
woman,
without trying to control, manipulate or get off, is an
incredibly
wonderful experience. When you get to the point where you
obey in
total, even only reaching shangrela at her command, you go
into another
dimension that you can't reach by playing the shallow power
and get off
games so popular among us men. The deeper sensuality
achieved by being
totally consumed with a devotion to another, and to me that
means one
special person with whom you share that bond exclusively,
is deeply
spiritual and sexual, and absolutely guilt free. Guilt free
sex is not
an oxymoron. Some like it better that way of course! OK, if
you must,
fantasize if you need that bad boy feeling. It's not really
necessary,
but different strokes for different folks.(man, can you
have fun with
that one) Bliss? Oh yeah.
Ecstasy? Oh yeah. Calm, yet excited, submissive yet
exhilarated, and
strong yet totally weak and enraptured. Sounds like love to
me!
Peace and bliss to you my friends,
(For David: the bible, the bible, the bible,
thump thump thump...................NOT!!!)
Love and kisses,
Spirit Wind
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:17:01 -0700
From: Spirit Wind
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
CC: Patricia Noble
Subject: Discarding Women
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Patricia wrote:
> what happens to your pure Amazon athelete..when
gravity sets
> in...discard her for newer, tighter model...(that
sounds familiar), what
> happens when your female athelete gets breast cancer
and has to have one
> or both removed to save her life.
Patricia, you always get right down to the core issue don't
you. Love
means a person is worthwhile no matter what their sexual
value may be.
You are sometimes confrontational and abrasive, but you are
always
passionate, sincere, and usually right. I vote for the
older, looser,
breast less model, the overweight, less desirable according
to the
Madison Avenue, thin adoring society we live in. It's
what's on the
inside that counts, as you already know. If a man leaves
his lady
because she is sick or disfigured, or getting old, or fat
or in any way
less than the ideal, he is one shallow, foolish looser who
doesn't
deserve the love of a loyal devoted woman. He can go off in
search of a
bimbo to use, and they deserve each other. People are
people, she isn't
a rock, a playground, a sex machine, Santa clause, a
vending machine to
get out of whatever we WANT, SHE IS A PERSON, WORTHY OF
RESPECT AND
LOYALTY.
You are a courageous woman, who always says what she
believes, and
dares to be open and vulnerable, and I salute you for that.
Your all
right my friend.
Spirit Wind
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:48:16 +0200
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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Laura>Patricia>Tony>Peter>e.o. generated a
chainreaction which is deteriorating this list.Do you all
let this happen because we (xantippe) failed (as we did) to
introduce ourselves properly and in time? We overhere can
not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by thinking
that Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling
invaded by a * xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy
be deleted..are you faking? might be out of a urge need for
attention? Just get rid of your old grudges and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
Xantippe Movement.
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:04:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: rrlelnd@escape.ca (David Land)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Message-Id: <199608291304.IAA27746@wpg-01.escape.ca>
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Well here's another victim statement from old Xantippe. I
know where MY
delete key is.
I was wondering about that word, Xantippe. Is
it Greek for drivel?
>Laura>Patricia>Tony>Peter>e.o. generated a
chainreaction which is
deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen because
we (xantippe)
failed (as we did) to introduce ourselves properly and in
time? We overhere
can not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by
thinking that Xantippe
initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded by a *
xantippe text* on
the screen? It can so easy be deleted..are you faking?
might be out of a
urge need for attention? Just get rid of your old grudges
and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
>
>Xantippe Movement.
>
>___________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:40 -0500
From: STALEY
To: "'femsupremacy@renaissoft.com'"
Subject: RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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please unsubscribe us after all this is not femsupremacy
but =
childsupremacy your system finds us to send the
childishness let your =
system find us to unsubscribe us
THANK YOU!!!!!! =20
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 1996 3:04 AM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Well here's another victim statement from old Xantippe. I
know where MY
delete key is.
I was wondering about that word, Xantippe. Is
it Greek for drivel?
>Laura>Patricia>Tony>Peter>e.o. generated a
chainreaction which is
deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen because
we (xantippe)
failed (as we did) to introduce ourselves properly and in
time? We =
overhere
can not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by
thinking that =
Xantippe
initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded by a *
xantippe text* =
on
the screen? It can so easy be deleted..are you faking?
might be out of a
urge need for attention? Just get rid of your old grudges
and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip =
imperfections*.
>
>Xantippe Movement.
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:45:50 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Message-ID:
FE>Laura>Patricia>Tony>Peter>e.o. generated
a chainreaction which is deteriorat
FE>Xantippe Movement.
Well, I'd say that if your first posts were inoccuous,
even interesting, I'd say *this* one is pretty pompous
and arrogant!
Thank you, I am no longer interested.
CybErotiComm Online
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:56:30 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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patricia
xantippe wrote:
>
> Laura>Patricia>Tony>Peter>e.o. generated a
chainreaction which is deteriorating this list.Do you all
let this happen because we (xantippe) failed (as we did) to
introduce ourselves properly and in time? We overhere can
not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by thinking
that Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling
invaded by a * xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy
be deleted..are you faking? might be out of a urge need for
attention? Just get rid of your old grudges an
>
> Xantippe Movement.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:08:09 +0000
From: "The Night-Hag"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Sandbox play can get pretty gritty
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> From: STALEY
> To: "'femsupremacy@renaissoft.com'"
> Subject: RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:40 -0500
> Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
> please unsubscribe us after all this is not
femsupremacy but childsupremacy your system finds us to
send the childishness let your system find us to
unsubscribe us
> THANK YOU!!!!!!
>
Buttons, buttons....PUSH!!!
I have to agree, with watching all the "pushing and
shoving" going on,
I am beginning to wonder about the validity of the above
statement.
I'm reminded of a child's game, called " Buttons,buttons,
who's got the
buttons"..and once you find out..you *push* it.
It takes much more wisdom, maturity, and control to respond
to
someone than it does to react to them. Children, because
they are
immature, react. However, those who are hoping to reign
Supreme
need to learn to take the time to think through what they
are saying
and use their wisdom to find an appropriate response.
The Night-Hag
the subject "help".
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Date: 29 Aug 96 14:25:03 EDT
From: Marissa <103267.1522@CompuServe.COM>
To: Femsupremacy
Subject: Is it Always Like This?
Message-ID:
<960829182503_103267.1522_IHH87-1@CompuServe.COM>
Gee, an action packed week here on the list. Is it always
like this?
Marissa
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: zbobz
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: FS exciting in action
Message-Id:
<199608291840.LAA23165@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
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At 06:03 PM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Tony, it's becoming obvious that you're going to pull
an adolescent
>stunt every chance you get. I'm removing and banning
you from this
>list.
>
>Dee-Ann
>
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Gosh, that was exciting. Female supremacy in action: Women
making wise
decisions to