Bonus question: In the eyes of U.S. Federal authorities who
is likely
to be regarded as a better parent: 1. A hard-working,
honest, and decent
couple who happen to engage in a Female Dominant
relationship in the privacy
of their own home, or 2. A couple of absentee crack
addicts. The answer
should be a no-brainer, but somehow, in the eyes of some
people, the first
couple would be regarded as a more dangerous influence.
I know a lot of people are going to argue the point, but
think about
this...it seems to me that in the second case, such
behavior might very well
be ignored by authorities until it would become a
newsworthy event that they
failed to act (a camera crew shows the kids living alone in
filth, etc.), and
at that point they'd act decisively. In the second case,
though, they'd
either do nothing about it, or their attitude would swing
about 180 degrees,
and without any prompting from the media, they'd be calling
press conferences
to show everyone how they'd saved some kids from the life
of debauchery that
was being thrust upon them by their sick parents.
I know this whole post has a tendency to ramble on a bit,
and I
apologise for that. I also know that my examples are
extreme cases, but I
wanted to try and show the parallels between how some of
our lifestyles might
be viewed by authorities, and how a truly irresponsible
situation might be
viewed. I'd also like to apologise if anything I've said in
this post
offends anyone, particularly Tracey who works for the
Government of New
Zealand. My distrust of big government is something that I
limit to the
U.S., Britain, and Canada, and so I don't mean to insult
the governments of
other nations, or those persons who may work for them.
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Women and physical type (correction!)
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Coyote...Tracey is from New Zealand....a horse of a very
different color
than Australia....
and hugs Coyote
Patricia
(Speaking of Down Under but definitely not Oz, where's
Tracey?)
That's why I was so careful about the 'not Oz'- I've had
NZedders on my case bigtime for failing to observe the
distinction. Like lumping Canada with the US eh? ;9
Sooooo, other than somewhere in NZ, where's Tracey?
She said something about getting a new address,,,
Hugs back atcha hey ;]
c.s.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 03:53:32 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: The Personal and the Collective
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Lawless the pepper-picker wrote:
... When things, such as assholehood, cause harm to
others, then it shouldn't be overlooked or "appreciated" as
diversity. Some
things need to be opposed.
But.... Opinions on evil vary. Some think BDSM is evil.
Myself, I think
Budweiser is evil, ('eiser' being an ancient word for evil)
as are Coors
and Miller Lite. Does this mean I can oppose all them what
drink such
unholies, under the premise that they are what they
eat/drink? ;-
Just don't oppose evil in a way that makes you cross the
line and become
part of the problem. If, in opposing jerks you become a
jerk yourself, then
what cause has been served? Could it be...SATAN!?
;)
Sooo....beat the drum in favor of your brew of choice, and
tempt the
undecided with side-by-side taste-tests, but don't verbally
or physically
attack the Bud truck guy, for example. :) (Unless he
attacks you first...but
you knew that)
Laura Goodwin
"The heart has its reasons which reason doesn't know."
(Pascal)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:11:06 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Women and physical type
Message-ID:
EPatricia wrote:
FEMen have endured pain and danger for beauty too. Men have
sought surgery,
FEtaken steroids, worn corsets, etc. Men have even had
extreme procedures
FEforced on them, in the name of fashion, or to "prove
manhood", etc. I hope
FEthe day is coming when such things will be purely
elective, and the natural,
FEhuman body will be appreciated for the perfection it is.
I, personally, will not bed a man who is fat, bearded,
moustachioed, bald, poor, under-endowed, under-educated,
geographically challenged, poor, short, dumb, dirty,
unsuccessful, MARRIED, OLD or otherwise "imperfect."
Mmmmm, now where have I heard this before?
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 116
Today's Topics:
Re: meretool
Re: Remove from Newsgroup List
Holiday
meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Holiday
Re: Holiday
Re: Holiday
Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Re: Capitalization.
Re: Holiday
brain function and gender
No morality, only a hard journey
Re: Holiday
Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Re: Capitalization
Re: Holiday
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:07:20 -0700
From: Noble
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Subject: Re: meretool
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Dear mere:
I would say..pay attention, be yourself..and if you get
really out of
line..someone will call you on it...DO your BEST, since you
are mere
sub..you are bound to make mistakes .. but this is safe
place for you to
grow in...
patricia
Ymeretool@aol.com wrote:
Thank You, Ma'am. i am learning. i really want to be a new
man ... moulded
by a strong Woman. Everyday i say the SMC chant ... Women
lead, the men
may follow, etc. As to rules for males on the list, Ma'am
... should i know
anything? Your boy, meretool
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:54:46 -0400
From: Rosevelyn@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Remove from Newsgroup List
Message-ID: <960623175444_337145542@emout16.mail.aol.com
Thank you for removing me from your list. The mail is
overwhelming!
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:48:09 +1200
From: Tracey
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com (Non Receipt
Notification Requested)
Subject: Holiday
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Happy Winter Solstice Tracey - it's wonderful to know that
enlightment is
spanning the globe.
Jon
Thanks Jon. :^)
I have also been reading all your interesting posts on
religion and some good
points have been brought up. My own opinion on religion is
it's usually based
on greed and the true reason of religion, like the ten
commandments, have been
lost. The original purpose of the bible was probably to
instill basic law and
social order. And perhaps to answer the yet, unanswered
questions, like, how
did we become.
Thanks to this list, I have been made more aware of the
dominance of the male
gender. Remarks that I wouldn't had bothered with are
getting on my nerves,
like; "the reason why she is successful is because she has
a man's brain".
Grrrrr. And I watch loads of movies and it's not surprising
when the damsel in
distress has to be saved by the knight in shining
armour.... so, I put it to
you, how many films have you seen where the woman is in the
dominate role. No,
not movies like For the Boys, or other so-called girly
stuff. Here, I'll start
the ball rolling...
The Quick and the Dead
The Piano
Tank Girl
Thelma & Louise
Tracey
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:25:57 -0400
From: Ymeretool@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a question
Message-ID: <960623192556_562479007@emout08.mail.aol.com
To Ms. Patricia,
Thank You again, Ma'am. i am beginning to feel very
comfortable
in this thoughtful Female Supremacist environment. i know i
have
much to learn and i will take to heart everything my
Betters have
to teach me. i will continue to consider You my Patroness
if that
meets with Your approval, Ma'am. i am trying to get used to
the
new way of thinking and it is probably better for me to ask
questions
and to listen to the words of the Women on the list. i
shouldn't
give opinions or try to top from the bottom. Women should
lead
and i should follow. Women should speak and i should
listen.
Women are X's and i am merely a defective X.
On thing confuses me, Ma'am. i know that some males have
slave contracts but the manual in Femsupremacy archives
says
nothing about limits or rights of slaves. Assuming that i
am to be
a slave, does a Mistress choose me or is there some kind of
contract. i am confused and i would like to know if serious
Female Supremacists have a firm policy on the subject. If a
Woman takes me as Her slave, do i always have to submit?
Sorry to be long-winded, Ma'am. meretool
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:25:07 -0500
From: kriv@interlog.com (peter)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a
question
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Actually this begs some questions (and please don't think
I'm being
sarcastic or downgrading someone else):
But, do most dominant women want a man who will put them on
a pedestal, or
a snivelling wimp?
Should this man be confident and aggressive when in public
and a snivelling
wimp in the woman's presence?
Or should the man be confident and self-assured at all
times, even when he
is with the woman?
Peter
To Ms. Patricia,
Thank You again, Ma'am. i am beginning to feel very
comfortable
in this thoughtful Female Supremacist environment. i know i
have
much to learn and i will take to heart everything my
Betters have
to teach me. i will continue to consider You my Patroness
if that
meets with Your approval, Ma'am. i am trying to get used to
the
new way of thinking and it is probably better for me to ask
questions
and to listen to the words of the Women on the list. i
shouldn't
give opinions or try to top from the bottom. Women should
lead
and i should follow. Women should speak and i should
listen.
Women are X's and i am merely a defective X.
On thing confuses me, Ma'am. i know that some males have
slave contracts but the manual in Femsupremacy archives
says
nothing about limits or rights of slaves. Assuming that i
am to be
a slave, does a Mistress choose me or is there some kind of
contract. i am confused and i would like to know if serious
Female Supremacists have a firm policy on the subject. If a
Woman takes me as Her slave, do i always have to submit?
Sorry to be long-winded, Ma'am. meretool
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:14:32 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Holiday
Message-ID:
FEdistress has to be saved by the knight in shining
armour.... so, I put it to
FEyou, how many films have you seen where the woman is in
the dominate role.
FEnot movies like For the Boys, or other so-called girly
stuff. Here, I'll st
FEthe ball rolling...
FEThe Quick and the Dead
FEThe Piano
FETank Girl
FEThelma & Louise
^ ^ They were not in control. They were manipulated into
ending up the only way they "could," in the male
perspective--dead--
Cop-out ending. I was always disappointed in that. They had
to
pay anyway. I hated that.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:40:21 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Holiday
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yeah, but they made enough money to buy their own scripts
and open their
own production companies and now we are seeing some really
good stuff
about really strong women.
Patricia
sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM wrote:
FEdistress has to be saved by the knight in shining
armour.... so, I put it to
FEyou, how many films have you seen where the woman is in
the dominate role.
FEnot movies like For the Boys, or other so-called girly
stuff. Here, I'll st
FEthe ball rolling...
FEThe Quick and the Dead
FEThe Piano
FETank Girl
FEThelma & Louise
^ ^ They were not in control. They were manipulated into
ending up the only way they "could," in the male
perspective--dead--
Cop-out ending. I was always disappointed in that. They had
to
pay anyway. I hated that.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:04:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Emerson Wright
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM wrote:
FEThelma & Louise
^ ^ They were not in control. They were manipulated into
ending up the only way they "could," in the male
perspective--dead--
Cop-out ending. I was always disappointed in that. They had
to
pay anyway. I hated that.
I agree, but the ending struck a very deep chord within
me---it
seemed to be an extension of the best of the Greek
tragedies. They
went down in flames but they went together, and the
handholding is
something I will never forget.
There will always be room in literature (and movies) for
tragedies. My feeling is that they should serve as vehicles
for motivation
instead of resignation.
Peace,
Barry
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:41:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a
question
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At 07:25 PM 6/23/96 -0400, Ymeretool wrote:
To Ms. Patricia,
Thank You again, Ma'am. i am beginning to feel very
comfortable
in this thoughtful Female Supremacist environment. i know i
have
much to learn and i will take to heart everything my
Betters have
to teach me. i will continue to consider You my Patroness
if that
meets with Your approval, Ma'am. i am trying to get used to
the
new way of thinking and it is probably better for me to ask
questions
and to listen to the words of the Women on the list. i
shouldn't
give opinions or try to top from the bottom. Women should
lead
and i should follow. Women should speak and i should
listen.
Women are X's and i am merely a defective X.
Welcome to the group Ymeretool.
I know this wasn't addressed to me but I'll toss my 2 cents
in for what
it's worth. *donning flame-proof undies*
Why are you putting yourself down so for simply being born
a male? I agree
that women are to be honored and adored and that they
possess many superior
qualities (empathy, healing, inner strength, etc), but I
like to think we
males bring something to the table also. Without us, women
can not be
superior ;)
I feel we should all endeavor to be the best we can be in
order to serve Her
better. We should treat ourselves (and others) with respect
and care, and
strive to make ourselves more useful, appealing and
interesting to Her. That
takes effort and self esteem. We're not defective, just
gender-challenged.
I would think a women would more appreciate a capable,
intelligent, and sharing
man rather than a "doormat" mindlessly kneeling and
groveling. But I may
be wrong. ;) Paul (aka maidpaula)
p.s. By the way Ymeretool, you are very correct...don't try
to top from
the bottom.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:56:26 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a
question
Message-ID: <31CE2E0A.14EB@tiac.net
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I second the notion and motion that...subs be capable,
intelligent and
sharing....
Patricia
pgm@servtech.com wrote:
At 07:25 PM 6/23/96 -0400, Ymeretool wrote:
To Ms. Patricia,
Thank You again, Ma'am. i am beginning to feel very
comfortable
in this thoughtful Female Supremacist environment. i know i
have
much to learn and i will take to heart everything my
Betters have
to teach me. i will continue to consider You my Patroness
if that
meets with Your approval, Ma'am. i am trying to get used to
the
new way of thinking and it is probably better for me to ask
questions
and to listen to the words of the Women on the list. i
shouldn't
give opinions or try to top from the bottom. Women should
lead
and i should follow. Women should speak and i should
listen.
Women are X's and i am merely a defective X.
Welcome to the group Ymeretool.
I know this wasn't addressed to me but I'll toss my 2 cents
in for what
it's worth. *donning flame-proof undies*
Why are you putting yourself down so for simply being born
a male? I agree
that women are to be honored and adored and that they
possess many superior
qualities (empathy, healing, inner strength, etc), but I
like to think we
males bring something to the table also. Without us, women
can not be
superior ;)
I feel we should all endeavor to be the best we can be in
order to serve Her
better. We should treat ourselves (and others) with respect
and care, and
strive to make ourselves more useful, appealing and
interesting to Her. That
takes effort and self esteem. We're not defective, just
gender-challenged.
I would think a women would more appreciate a capable,
intelligent, and sharing
man rather than a "doormat" mindlessly kneeling and
groveling. But I may
be wrong. ;) Paul (aka maidpaula)
p.s. By the way Ymeretool, you are very correct...don't try
to top from
the bottom.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:03:57 -0400
From: willow
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a
question
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Ms Noble is indulgent and kind :)
*bow*
willow
Noble wrote:
I second the notion and motion that...subs be capable,
intelligent and
sharing....
Patricia
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:50:35 +0200
From: jcalvo
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Capitalization.
Message-Id: <199606240603.HAA27648@jet.es
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Perhap you have a problem with your kerboar?
At 13:44 23/06/96 -0500, you wrote:
Patricia:
Does this mean that should i ever write to You, that i
should use the lower
case when referring to me?
peter
it only makes me go GRRR when I have told someone to write
that way...in
general bad grammar makes me go GRRRR...
(@) (@)
c
\_____/
Patricia
peter wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly.
And what type of relationship are we talking about in the
D/S mode?
It may be the traditional leather-clad dominatrix
relationship or one in
which the woman enjoys having a man put her on a pedestal
and have his
world revolve around her.
Shouldn't this be something that is discussed beforehand by
two people?
Peter
I managed to delete Chase's letter before I decided to
comment. Stupid!
Anyway, it seems to me that you've overlooked a detail in
your letter.
This is a female supremacy mailing list. Your letter seemed
to exclusively
deal with female dominance. What you or anyone else choose
to do about that
distinction is for the person in question to decideof
course.
You'll notice that I personally try to abide by English
grammar as
best as
I can, even if it makes Patricia GRR in front of her screen
:).
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:44:36 +1000 (EST)
From: mike Lee
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Holiday
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Tracey said:
so, I put it to
you, how many films have you seen where the woman is in the
dominate role. No,
not movies like For the Boys, or other so-called girly
stuff. Here, I'll start
the ball rolling...
The Quick and the Dead
The Piano
Tank Girl
Thelma & Louise
It's interesting to note that The Piano is a South
Australian production, by
a fine Australian Director by the name of Jane Campion, who
I might add, we
will hear a lot more from.
But to pick up from this thread:
Maitresse
Exit to Eden (featuring another Ozzie, Paul Mercurio, as a
sub)
Michael from down under
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 03:06:01 -0700
From: Brett J Wakefield
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: brain function and gender
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As a forward, I apologize for not having more details Re:
the following,
but I was making breakfast for The Woman when this was
broadcast on a CNN
science report.
A scientist did some research using SAT math problems with
male and
female subjects, followed by CAT scans which indicated that
male brains
activity occurred in those portions of the brain shared
with other
simians;i.e., males used same parts of brain as chimpanzees
to solve
problems; while females brain activity occurred in areas of
the brain
involving higher limbic function that were exclusively
human and did not
exist in other species.
Since I'm not a neurologist, I don't hesitate to suggest
that this is
further proof that women are more evolved than males.
Brett
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: No morality, only a hard journey
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Tracey wrote:
And perhaps to answer the yet, unanswered questions, like,
how
did we become.
,,,Or the really big questions:
Who am I? Who are we?
And no religion will impart this if we simply sit there and
passively wait for it to tell us. A religion is only a map,
an invitation to a journey, and perhaps the account of some
of
those who have already made the journey, usually in the
form of
myths and allegories, and a lot of mystery. (Mystery helps
us
frame good questions, just as myths help us grasp the
context.)
I have a map here. I cannot sit here and wait for the map
to
get me to California.
Tracey is right: No religion successfully teaches morality
(even
if it purports to). To expect that is to miss the point.
But learning who we are (by following a path to that
knowledge)
frees us to be moral beings. Morality is only a by-product
of
a healthy identity, of knowing who I am and who the Other
is, and
being comfortable with that knowledge.
And religion, any religion, means both risk and damned hard
work. There is no Father Christmas, Virginia.
Peace ;]
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Holiday
Message-Id: <199606241242.FAA04042@netcom8.netcom.com
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Tracey put it to us:
Grrrrr. And I watch loads of movies and it's not surprising
when the damsel
in distress has to be saved by the knight in shining
armour.... so, I put
it to you, how many films have you seen where the woman is
in the dominant
role. No, not movies like For the Boys, or other so-called
girly
stuff. Here, I'll start the ball rolling...
The Quick and the Dead
The Piano
Tank Girl
Thelma & Louise
How 'bout
The African Queen
Driving Miss Daisy
The Colour Purple
Fried Green Tomatoes
Baghdad Cafe
Basic Instinct and
that movie about sexual harrassment with Demi Moore and
Michael
Douglas.
(In all of these the woman/women set the direction, define
the
story line and the other characters, and generally decide
who wins
and who loses. My own life is a never-ending replay of The
African
Queen morphed into Baghdad Cafe ;d )
(In 'Purple' and 'Tomatoes,' there are no significant men
at all.)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:15:12 -0400
From: Ymeretool@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: meretool thanks Ms. Patricia and asks a
question
Message-ID: <960624091510_337694830@emout08.mail.aol.com
males do not have to be wimps ... that is true. Men may
hunt and
build (the SMC chant says) and hunters and builders must be
strong
and resourceful. The bottom line though (no pun intended)
is that
males must never forget that Women must lead and rule them.
And
there should be outward signs of male acceptance of their
subordinate
status. Lower case i ... calling all Women 'Ma'am', etc.
The mentality
of the new male must be reinforced. Just my opinion.
meretool
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:20:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Capitalization
Message-Id: <199606241320.GAA06828@netcom8.netcom.com
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Laura Goodwin (writing about 'Capitalization') gave some
beautiful
examples of modern English usage in Goddess worship,
discussed its merits,
and ended with
I don't imagine this will catch on though...who needs more
rules of
grammar? Most people can't keep up with the ones we've got.
:)
Probably not, but it's important to make the effort to have
a 'special
language' for very special purposes. In the examples Laura
gave, what
she's doing is marking off sacred space for sacred
purposes. It says,
'here we do this, and do our best, and nothing else
intrudes.'
In the same way we use language to set off other special
events in our lives,
whether we're in court fighting a traffic ticket or are
playing tennis,
or are making love. Even 'baby talk' is part of this.
The trick is to set the =events= off for their special
purpose but not shut
out the people. 'Good' liturgy, like any good theater, both
sticks to the
story and invites people in to share it.
Laura's examples do just that. :]
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
the subject "help".
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Glover
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Cc: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Holiday
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Excellent concepts.
As my Mom used to say "your Father is the Head of the
house; but I am the
neck and I can turn the head any way I choose".
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 109
Today's Topics:
Re: confused
Re: confused
Re: confused
Re: confused
Re: Manual
Re: http://www.domina.fr/
Re: Changing Attitudes
Re: Changing Attitudes
Re: Changing Attitudes
Word Macro Virus
Re: From a.w.s.: More Web Sites for Women
Re: From a.w.s.: More Web Sites for Women
Reversed roles.
Re: Changing Attitudes
Re: confused
BDSM Emblem
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:02:15 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: confused
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yes, indeed this is heavy stuff and I did not answer
earlier because I
do not wish to criticize any Domme, when I do not know all
the
facts....but
I always have periods of discussion where my sub and I can
speak freely
and give feedback about what has been occuring between us
recently. I
do not think it is a good idea (or very nice) to keep sub
in position
where he does not know who has final word over his
behavior. I don't
think the point is to keep sub constantly insecure...it is
hard enough
to train them...about who they belong too.
Personally..(and I know others do differently and this is
no judgement)
I would not loan my sub out if I were not there. If the
point is to
have someone else train them...say I were new DOMME..the
point would be
for me to be there and learn. This is kind of charged and I
do not want
to criticize another DOMME. I can only say for myself...I
love my
pet..I have told him that he does not have to worry about
anything
anymore .. except pleasing me... a DOMME takes on a big
responsibility
when she takes a sub for her own. If his job is to keep
centered on me
and my pleasure...my job is to keep his world as safe and
as empty of
any distractions from that task as I can. That's how I see
it. It's
not easy being DOMME...but what would you poor babies do
without us.
I demand my subs speak of their feelings on things as they
move along.
At the end of a new scene, at the end of a particularly
tough training
day...when wills have been tested and mine always wins....i
make sure
there is time for check ins to makes sure that lessons have
been learned
and my pet is still wanting to nothing else in the world
but please me.
this is not fascism you know!
Patricia
Jon Woolven wrote:
Original message:
To the Matriarchs, the petition of slave 49442 humbly
sheweth that it (that is
what my current Mistress calls me) is confused. i was
disrespectful to my
original Mistress and She released me to another Mistress
for intensive
obedience training. my original Mistress said that my
servitude to my new
Mistress had to be by mutual consent but my current
Mistress seems to believe
that i have no rights or limits. Also, my original Mistress
told me that She
could take me back some day but my current Mistress wants
me to be Her property
forever. my original Mistress is kind to me and She has
told me to come to Her
for advice. i am confused about who really owns me. slave
49442
Phew, heavy stuff.
Advice from a fellow submissive:
- Do you have any vestige of self will at all?
If so, make your own decisions whilst being honest and
respectful to both parties.
- If your will has been completely crushed
Obey the Mistress which has the greater control
of your mind.
-If you care for my advice:
Female supremacy is not about selfish, stormtroopers
trampling all before them. This is a great fantasy
(and mine are pretty mindblowing) but not such a
good reality.
Observe the behaviour of the lady contributors to this
forum.
They are magnificently superior, intelligent and witty but
also
civilised and considerate. Is this not a better model for
the future
than a direct replacement of male brutality with a female
version?
You may find that Mistress Two is just staying in role,
sensing your
own extreme submissiveness. Try to address her outside of
this
role for a moment and the dilemma may disappear. If not,
plead for
renewed service with Mistress one, she sounds better
balanced
to me.
Keep things in proportion. Enjoy yourself sexually but let
it
overwhelm you. Work for a better world.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: confused
Message-Id: <199606142359.TAA16247@cyber2.servtech.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 07:02 PM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
a DOMME takes on a big responsibility
when she takes a sub for her own. If his job is to keep
centered on me
and my pleasure...my job is to keep his world as safe and
as empty of
any distractions from that task as I can. That's how I see
it.
Yes, it is a big responsibility and one not to be taken
lightly. The
Domme and the sub should endeavor to communicate honestly
and define their
roles and limits and responsibilities (emotional, physical,
and spiritual)
in order to prevent the quandry slave 49442 finds himself
in. Sometimes
the Domme is not capable or not caring enough (for what
ever reason) and
a sub can find him/herself crushed and confused. Not a good
space to be in.
It's not easy being DOMME...but what would you poor babies
do without us.
I appreciate the effort, thought and time that goes into
being a "good"
Domme. Without the Domme's efforts, submission itself would
be impossible ;)
I demand my subs speak of their feelings on things as they
move along.
At the end of a new scene, at the end of a particularly
tough training
day...when wills have been tested and mine always wins....i
make sure
there is time for check ins to makes sure that lessons have
been learned
and my pet is still wanting to nothing else in the world
but please me.
this is not fascism you know!
Patricia
I'm glad to hear you say that. I view the scene as
consensual with mutual
pleasure for both, and ongoing communication and feedback
ensures that pleasure
and fulfillment are attained. I like the idea of two souls
uniting and forming
a glorious bond that takes both higher than each could
attain on their own.
Just a thought, Paul (or mp or paula or maid or...)
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:06:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: confused
Message-Id: <199606150006.UAA16556@cyber2.servtech.com
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At 06:33 PM 6/14/96 EDT, you wrote:
-If you care for my advice:
Female supremacy is not about selfish, stormtroopers
trampling all before them. This is a great fantasy
(and mine are pretty mindblowing) but not such a
good reality.
Observe the behaviour of the lady contributors to this
forum.
They are magnificently superior, intelligent and witty but
also
civilised and considerate. Is this not a better model for
the future
than a direct replacement of male brutality with a female
version?
Jon- I can only "second" your advice...very well stated.
There has been, and
still is, far too much brutality in the world. Hopefully,
as women gain more
power and influence in our society and culture, they will
show all of us a
better way of viewing and relating to each other and the
world in general.
another subbie and female admirer, Paul
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 06:24:44 -0700
From: lalaura@ix.netcom.com (Laura Goodwin)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: confused
Message-Id:
<199606151324.GAA11805@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com
slave 49442 wrote:
i was disrespectful to my original Mistress and She
released me to
another Mistress for intensive obedience training.
Then the second mistress is your original Mistress's agent
and deputy.
my original Mistress said that my servitude to my new
Mistress had to
be by mutual consent but my current Mistress seems to
believe that i
have no rights or limits. Also, my original Mistress told
me that She
could take me back some day but my current Mistress wants
me to be Her
property forever.
It sounds like the deputy mistress is not only derelic in
her duty, but
is betraying your mistress's trust by trying to take you on
permanantly, when this was not a permanant arrangement. The
agreement
is not being adhered to, so of course you are confused.
my original Mistress is kind to me and She has told me to
come
to Her for advice. i am confused about who really owns me.
Return to your original Mistress and tell her everything.
Refuse to
continue with this second mistress unless the difficulties
are worked
out.
--
Laura Goodwin
"Who is she who appears like the dawn
Fair as the moon, bright as the sun,
Terrifying as an army with banners?"
(Song of Solomon, 6:10)
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:07:42 -0400
From: tiresius@magnet.ca (Tiresius)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Manual
Message-Id: <9606151907.AA13945@python.magnet.ca
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Tiresius- I couldn't agree more. I would never be so
presumptuous as to
believe that I would know how to serve and please a woman
better than the
woman herself. She is the only one who fully and truly
knows what she
desires and seeks (if she's in touch with her supremacy,
but that's
In short, I believe such manuals are appropriate feedback,
just
incorrectly titled.
There has been many excellent replies to my original
posting, which
was my sole intent. I did not intend to criticize the
author of the
available "training manual," and over all thought it is
well written. I
posted my original post, in that I thought it interesting
that there were no
similar manual(s) written by women.
While I doubt many people would take any "training manual"
and use
it as their "bible," I do believe there IS a role for such
manuals. In
fact, I can see several.
Writing such a manual, I believe is a good exercise.
An Authouress might find it an excellent means to clarify
her
objectives, and means to arrive at her goals. While an
author, can offer
insights of himself that might be fruitfully persued.
While I doubt no two people would appraoch the subject
exactly like
another, reading such manuals gives insights to the
approaches that others
have taken, and what has and has not worked by others.
However, without "commentary," this fruitful discussion
might be
missed. So far, there has been some "fruitful commentary,"
and if there is
an "interest," this might continue.
Ideally, most of us would write "our own" "training manual"
and
offer it here for discussion and commentary. However, I do
realize the
momentous undertaking that this implies, and I doubt few of
us have the time.
Hopefully, some might be "inspired" to write, and I am
certain it
would be a benefit to us all.
Best wishes,
Tiresius
Tiresius@Magnet.ca
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 17:30:08 +0200
From: "Magnus Thelander"
To: "femsupremacy@renaissoft.com"
Subject: Re: http://www.domina.fr/
Message-Id: <199606151528.RAA12247@mailbox.swip.net
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:59:40 -0700, lanoline wrote:
Please find herewith the URL of the Demonia magazine.
http://www.domina.fr/
I chose the English version, but I still got the French.
Seems to be a
defunct server.
---
Magnus Thelander
Malmo, Sweden
"Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives."
---Todd Lappin
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:38:28 -0700
From: Jet
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes
Message-ID: <31C31134.7E50@nwlink.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Jon--
My place of work is about 65% female / 35% male
which some of you will doubtless envy. We recruit
frequently and I'm often involved in the decision.
My boss is female and she's a very potent mixture
of tough and tender.
Why don't you give her the address for the femsupremacy
mailing list?
She would like to see a 50/50 split, which see thinks
gives the optimal working environment and mix of talents.
She is therefore happy when we employ a new man.
Perhaps, she could be convinced that as
all-woman company may actually be more interesting and
profitable. ;)
However, and this is the crux, both my boss and I
always select the best person for the job, whoever it may
be. I don't try to push the claims of a woman, if I don't
believe she's the best candidate. Even men need to earn a
living after all.
As you work for someone who appears to be powerful in her
own right, perhaps you are already doing things in the way
you should be.
Consider your options? Are you going to continue to work
for
her? Could you start your own company doing the same thing
your female boss is doing (being her competitor) and hire
in
a way that makes you most comfortable? Could you somehow
convince her that she should not worry about the 50/50 mix,
but just consider hiring the best candidates, and that if
those
candidates happen to be women, just to go with them
women...?
Jon, I think it is interesting and would like to know more
about what happens here.
Jet
the subject "help".
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Date: 15 Jun 96 18:07:21 EDT
From: Jon Woolven <100410.1764@CompuServe.COM
To: "INTERNET:femsupremacy@renaissoft.com"
Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes
Message-ID:
<960615220721_100410.1764_BHG60-1@CompuServe.COM
Thanks for your thought provoking reply Jet. I'll do my
best to respond.
My first message--
My place of work is about 65% female / 35% male which some
of you will
doubtless envy. We recruit frequently and I'm often
involved in the decision.
My boss is female and she's a very potent mixture of tough
and tender.
Jet's reply--
Why don't you give her the address for the femsupremacy
mailing list?
My response--
It's a lovely thought. She's very powerful and dominates
both our organisation
and
her boyfriend in a very feminine way. Her determination and
strength of will is
incredible. I have a convenient excuse though. She doesn't
have access to the
Net
yet.
My original message--
She would like to see a 50/50 split, which see thinks gives
the optimal
working environment and mix of talents. She is therefore
happy when we employ
a new man.
Jet's reply--
Perhaps, she could be convinced that an all-woman company
may actually be more
interesting and profitable. ;)
My response--
Except for a few male underlings to do the dirty work
perhaps?
My first comment--
However, and this is the crux, both my boss and I always
select the best
person for the job, whoever it may be. I don't try to push
the claims of a
woman, if I don't believe she's the best candidate. Even
men need to earn a
living after all.
Jet's response--
As you work for someone who appears to be powerful in her
own right, perhaps you
are already doing things in the way you should be.
My reply--
Most of all I enjoy boosting the confidence of the young
women in the team. To
help them
grow, prosper and feel more powerful is the most incredibly
rewarding
experience.
Jet's comment--
Consider your options? Are you going to continue to work
for her? Could you
start your own company doing the same thing your female
boss is doing (being her
competitor) and hire in a way that makes you most
comfortable? Could you
somehow convince her that she should not worry about the
50/50 mix, but just
consider hiring the best candidates, and that if those
candidates happen to be women, just to go with them
women...?
My reply--
I'm very fulfilled where I am and don't want to move. We're
building our
organisation
into something pretty amazing and I wish I could elaborate
more.
My boss knows my feelings about recruitment. She's an
expert on reading body
language
and I can't hide much from her. We both agree we should
always hire the best
candidate.
It's only a matter of how we react about the gender of the
successful person.
Please don't think she's anti-female in any way, quite the
opposite, but she
prefers a
gender mix in the workplace.
I suppose the big variable is how we decide on the best
candidate. What biases
and preconceptions do we bring to bear? In my case, a woman
has a head start
because I am in awe of female wisdom.
I hope my answers are helpful
Jon
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 00:19:35 +0200
From: "Magnus Thelander"
To: "femsupremacy@renaissoft.com"
Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes
Message-Id: <199606152219.AAA15967@mailbox.swip.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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On 15 Jun 96 18:07:21 EDT, Jon Woolven wrote:
Jet's reply--
Why don't you give her the address for the femsupremacy
mailing list?
My response--
It's a lovely thought. She's very powerful and dominates
both our organisation
and
her boyfriend in a very feminine way. Her determination and
strength of will is
incredible. I have a convenient excuse though. She doesn't
have access to the
Net
yet.
Does she have a computer in her home? Then getting internet
access to gain
access to this list seems to me to be as good a reason as
any :).
---
Magnus Thelander
Malmo, Sweden
"Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives."
---Todd Lappin
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:18:19 +0100
From: "Christine & David Stevenson"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Word Macro Virus
Message-Id: <199606160013.AAA11778@mail.telepac.pt
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
The Microsoft version of the Word Macro killer can be found
at:
http://www.microsoft.com/kb/softlib/mslfiles/wd1215.exe
Regards, David.
Christine & David Stevenson,
Authors of the Fem Dom Training Program.
Runs on all IBM compatible PC's.
Advises on how best to train your husband/lover.
Email enquiries:- cstevenson@mail.telepac.pt
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:07:11 +0200
From: Bernd
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: From a.w.s.: More Web Sites for Women
Message-Id: <199606160907.LAA03687@croco.atnet.at
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Found on alt.women.supremacy:
From: peechi@bitteford.com (peechi)
Newsgroups: alt.women.supremacy
Subject: Web sites for Women
Date: 6 Jun 1996 12:53:15 GMT
Here are some more websites designed especailly for Women.
http://www.ion.com.au/yoni/yonititle.html (my favorite)
Thank you for the urls.This one really is a great
collection of very
informative pages about all aspects of womankind.
Divinity! :)
There is so much I dont know about women and their hidden
secrets of life.
I enjoyed surfing, reading and wondering in this pages.
It is a sunny beautiful day and i just wanted to say how
wonderfullllll
you women are.
Thanks for listening.
Bernd
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:49:27 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: From a.w.s.: More Web Sites for Women
Message-ID: <31C43B17.2EB4@tiac.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
WE are WONDER-FULL aren't we
Patricia
Bernd wrote:
Found on alt.women.supremacy:
From: peechi@bitteford.com (peechi)
Newsgroups: alt.women.supremacy
Subject: Web sites for Women
Date: 6 Jun 1996 12:53:15 GMT
Here are some more websites designed especailly for Women.
http://www.ion.com.au/yoni/yonititle.html (my favorite)
Thank you for the urls.This one really is a great
collection of very
informative pages about all aspects of womankind.
Divinity! :)
There is so much I dont know about women and their hidden
secrets of life.
I enjoyed surfing, reading and wondering in this pages.
It is a sunny beautiful day and i just wanted to say how
wonderfullllll
you women are.
Thanks for listening.
Bernd
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 06:22:38 +0200
From: "Magnus Thelander"
To: "Fem. suprem."
Subject: Reversed roles.
Message-Id: <199606170422.GAA03238@mailbox.swip.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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I just saw a short feature in the morning news about a
Swedish man (Tore
Gustafson) married to an American woman (Lisa). They're
living in Felton, CA.
Lisa works as a prosecutor, while Tore is a house-husband,
taking care of the
house, garden, household and children.
---
Magnus Thelander
Malmo, Sweden
"Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives."
---Todd Lappin
the subject "help".
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 02:58:40 -0400
From: RicRalph@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes
Message-ID: <960617025839_136484940@emout13.mail.aol.com
Patricia wrote:
The idea that women, african americans and others..are, or
have geen given
jobs they are not qualified for because of their gender or
race is insulting.
I sure agree, Patricia. I started a transportation company
as an insurance
policy for me and folks like me back in 1972... Got out of
the war (served in
England, Turkey, Korea and Viet Nam)-- was angry and said
screw the world...
For the first five years or so we were ex GI's on a
mission... probably to
regain a sense of our self esteem. The war and GI's wern't
very popular
then.
Many of the GI's healed and went on. Some of us are still
here. Over the
years our company has evolved into an organization that
tries to create
oppertunities for good people to be whatever they can or
want to be. There
are about 1300 of us now led by five women and four men
(including myself).
The fact is we beat the pants off of all of our
competition-- because we are
the best! And we're the best because we represent the best
talent our
society has to offer.
We all work, love and play hard-- because we want to-- and
because we like
what we do. Folks in our industry say we are an anomaly.
Perhaps. We don't
care. Yet we are proud to be leaders of the "Changing
Attitudes" in our part
of the world. Our God/Goddess created all of us equal, so
here we are. The
choices we all have to make is how to be equal with each
other everyday...
And for all the things that are important to me, Womanhood
is the superior
gender...
Regards, Ralph
PS Happy Birthday, Patricia (a few days late).
I turned 51 back in November. Welcome to the club. This
really is a great
time of life!
the subject "help".
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:55:08 -0500
From: Peter Sage
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: confused
Message-ID: <31C59BFC.2A9A@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Jon Woolven wrote:
Original message:
To the Matriarchs, the petition of slave 49442 humbly
sheweth that it (that is
what my current Mistress calls me) is confused. i was
disrespectful to my
original Mistress and She released me to another Mistress
for intensive
obedience training. my original Mistress said that my
servitude to my new
Mistress had to be by mutual consent but my current
Mistress seems to believe
that i have no rights or limits. Also, my original Mistress
told me that She
could take me back some day but my current Mistress wants
me to be Her property
forever. my original Mistress is kind to me and She has
told me to come to Her
for advice. i am confused about who really owns me. slave
49442
i realize this is a very "charged" topic, but i feel i
should jump in
and offer my two cents. BTW, my name is peter, and i have
been lurking
for about two months. i'm pretty new to BDSM, and
subscribing to this
mailing list has been educational.
FWIW, i can't help but think that Mistress Two may be
playing a "mind
game" with slave 49442 as part of his obedience training;
Army Drill
Sergeants do something very similar to trainees in Basic
Training.
At any rate, it doesn't sound consentual, and consent is
one of the
cornerstones of the BDSM community (but not of the Army).
Just MHO, respectfully submitted ;)
peter
the subject "help".
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:06:26 -0500
From: Peter Sage
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: BDSM Emblem
Message-ID: <31C59EA2.1628@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
There is a web page
(http://www.wizvax.net/multics/dspin.html) that
has some info about what it calls the "BDSM emblem." I have
been told
by a local jeweler (of all people) that it's also called
the "chaos
wheel," and I have seen a design very similar to it in the
departmental
"seal" of the NC Division of Highways! (Is it any
coincidence our
highways are always under construction?) Does anyone else
have any
additional info about this emblem?
the subject "help".
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 176
Today's Topics:
RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in Congress
Re: RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in Congress
Monogomy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:36:58 +0100
From: "Christine & David Stevenson"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
CC: "SubMiss"
Subject: RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in Congress
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------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:23:08 -0800
To: telstar@wired.com
From: telstar@wired.com (--Todd Lappin--)
Subject: RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in Congress
Free speech isn't only for those with dangerous ideas;
privacy isn't just
for suspected criminals.
As Internet users, we all have a stake in standing up for
free speech *and*
privacy.
With your indulgence, I'm passing along an important alert
regarding
several telecommunications surveillance proposals that
Congress may
adopt... perhaps as soon as FRIDAY.
If you can, please call Congress on Friday to insist that
our legislators
carefully consider the privacy implivations of any proposal
to expland the
FBI's wiretap authority. Your call can make a very big
difference.
Full details follow below.
Work the network!
--Todd Lappin--
Section Editor
WIRED Magazine
======================================================================
____ _____ ____ ___ _ _____ ____ _____
| _ \| ____| _ \ / _ \| | | ____| _ \_ _| CONGRESS RUSHING
TO
| |_) | _| | | | | | |_| | | | _| | |_) || | ENACT
SURVEILLANCE
| _ <| |___| |_| | | _ | |___| |___| _ < | |
LEGISLATION. CALL
|_| \_\_____|____/ |_| |_|_____|_____|_| \_\|_| CONGRESS
NOW! 8/1/96
REPOST THIS ALERT WHERE APPROPRIATE
DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE AFTER AUGUST 7, 1996
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Table of contents
Introduction
What you can do now
Background
Participating organizations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
INTRODUCTION
Late Wednesday, Congress and the Clinton Administration
reached a
preliminary agreement on a sweeping new surveillance
initiative. The
President and several Congressional leaders are pushing for
a vote on the
measure BEFORE CONGRESS RECESSES ON AUGUST 2.
If enacted, parts of the proposal would dramatically impact
privacy and
security on the Internet and other advanced communications
technologies.
Of particular concern are provisions which:
1. Allow law enforcement to wiretap "suspected terrorists"
for up to
48 hours WITHOUT obtaining a court order.
2. Provide funding for the Digital Telephony Proposal
without any public
accountability over how the FBI spends the funds
Other provisions are also circulating that would:
3. Impose new restrictions on encryption technologies
4. Criminalize the distribution of 'bomb-making'
information on
the Internet that is legal in print.
Congress needs to hear from you. Congress will rush through
the passage
of massive new surveillance plans with privacy risks unless
you
show them there is support for slow, deliberate, reasoned
thought on
the issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW
CALL YOUR MEMBER OF CONGRESS IMMEDIATELY
NO LATER THAN FRIDAY (8/2/96)
Please contact as many elected officials on the list below
as you can.
Urge them to "go slow" and carefully consider the impact
these
surveillance proposals will have on the privacy and
security of
Internet users.
Tell them while you appreciate their concern about
combating terrorism,
the measures being proposed have many potential side
effects which must be
carefully considered.
If you are at a loss for words, use the following sample
communique:
SAMPLE COMMUNIQUE
Dear _________,
Please do not rush the passage of counter terrorism
legislation;
I'm concerned that Congress is rushing without carefully
considering the implications of privacy. I'm from
Thanks,
You should call the following members of Congress because
they
are steering this legislation and need to know there is
support
for slow, deliberate, thoughtful consideration of this
issue.
Some of thee members *have publicly expressed reservations*
about this
legislation, and we should support them in their efforts.
Senate members:
P ST Name and Address Phone Fax
= == ======================== ============== ==============
R MS Lott, Trent 1-202-224-6253 1-202-224-2262
D DE Biden Jr., Joseph R. 1-202-224-5042 1-202-224-0139
D SD Daschle, Thomas A. 1-202-224-2321 1-202-224-2047
R UT Hatch, Orrin G. 1-202-224-5251 1-202-224-6331
R PA Specter, Arlen 1-202-224-4254 1-717-782-4920
D VT Leahy, Patrick J. 1-202-224-4242 1-202-224-3595
House members:
Dist ST Name, Address, and Party Phone Fax
==== == ======================== ==============
==============
6 GA Gingrich, Newt (R) 1-202-225-4501 1-202-225-4656
3 MO Gephardt, Richard A. (D) 1-202-225-2671 1-202-225-7452
6 IL Hyde, Henry J. (R) 1-202-225-4561 1-202-226-1240
14 MI Conyers Jr., John (D) 1-202-225-5126 1-202-225-0072
President William Clinton:
White House Comment Line: 1-202-456-1414
3. If you get a response, take a moment and send mail to
vtw@vtw.org
with "feedback" in the subject line.
$ Mail vtw@vtw.org
Subject: my feedback from calling Congress
They said they're not going to pass most of Clinton's
package,
because it upsets the delicate balance between law
enforcement and
the public.
^D
Mail sent!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND
Among other things, the law enforcement proposals
circulating on Capitol
Hill include provisions which:
o WIRETAPPING WITHOUT COURT ORDER ALLOWED FOR 48 HOURS
Congress and the President have already agreed to
provisions which
would dramatically expand law enforcement surveillance
authority. Both
of these provisions were proposed by the President as part
of the 1995
counter-terrorism legislation, but were dropped from the
final bill
after Republicans and civil liberties advocates objected.
The current proposal would expand law enforcement
surveillance
authority in two ways:
- Emergency 48 Hour Wiretap Authority: Current law requires
law
enforcement officials to get the affirmative consent of a
judge
before installing a wiretap.
The current proposal would expand law enforcement authority
to
wiretap "suspected terrorists" for up to 48 hours before
obtaining a
court order, limiting a critical 4th amendment safeguard.
- Multi-Point "Roving" Wiretaps: Current law allows law
enforcement to
tap only specific LOCATIONS (i.e., a telephone number). In
certain
very limited circumstances, law enforcement can tap a
specific
INDIVIDUAL if it can be shown to a judge that the suspect
is moving
from place to place with the specific intent of thwarting
law
enforcement.
The current proposal would expand this so-called "roving"
wiretap
authority by making it much easier for law enforcement to
tap specific
INDIVIDUALS as opposed to specific physical locations. This
change
would dramatically effect the balance between 4th Amendment
privacy
rights and public safety which has existed for nearly 30
years, and
should not be enacted without careful consideration of the
implications.
o FUNDING FOR DIGITAL TELEPHONY WITHOUT PUBLIC
ACCOUNTABILITY
The Administration and Congress are seeking funding to
implement the
Digital Telephony Law in a way which eliminates any
opportunity for
public oversight of law enforcement surveillance ability.
The controversial law, known officially as the
Communications
Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), granted the FBI
new
authority to influence the design of telecommunications
networks. At
the same time, the law provided substantial public
oversight over the
FBI's surveillance ability by requiring the FBI to state,
on the
public record, what its surveillance needs are.
The FBI has faced stiff resistance from civil liberties
groups and some
members of Congress and has not yet been able to obtain
funding to
implement the requirements of the law.
As part of the current proposal, the FBI is seeking a
mechanism which
will provide funding for CALEA in a way which skirts the
public
oversight provisions of the law. This is an extremely
troubling move
by law enforcement which, if enacted, would allow law
enforcement
essentially unlimited authority to influence the design of
telecommunications networks without any accountability.
Other provisions which could show up in legislation in the
next 72 hours are:
o BOMB MAKING MATERIAL ON THE INTERNET
In the wake of the recent public concern about terrorism,
Senators
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joseph Biden (D-DE) have
renewed their
efforts to pass legislation to restrict the availability of
'bomb-
making' information on the Internet.
The Feinstein/Biden amendment was added to the Senate
Defense
Appropriations bill (S. 1762) in early July, and is not
currently part
of the new law enforcement initiative. However, the
amendment poses a
serious threat to chill the the free flow of information on
the
Internet.
o NEW RESTRICTIONS ON ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGIES:
While no specific legislation has been proposed, the
Clinton
Administration has circulated an outline to Congress which
states:
"We will seek legislation to strengthen our ability to
prevent terrorists from coming into the possession of the
technology
to encrypt their communications and data so that they are
beyond the
reach of law enforcement."
This statement marks the first time that the Administration
has
suggested legislation to restrict encryption. This is
especially
troubling because it comes at a time of growing
Congressional support
for legislation to promote privacy and security tools for
the Net.
Of even more concern, the Administration is clearly
attempting to use
the recent suspected terrorist incidents to push for a new
and more
restrictive encryption policy.
If the Administration succeeds in passing new restrictions
on
encryption as part of the new surveillance legislation, the
future
of the Internet as a secure and trusted platform for
commerce and
private communication will be threatened.
Some or all of these provisions may be included in a
package voted
on by both houses by August 3rd. It is not clear what a
final bill
will look like, and some of these provisions may not be
considered by
Congress until later this summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS
The following organizations all urge you to take this
action to combat the
surveillance initiatives. Check their Web pages for more
background
information on these issues.
American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.aclu.org)
American Communication Association
Center for Democracy and Technology (http://www.cdt.org)
Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://www.eff.org)
EF-Austin (http://www.efa.org)
Electronic Privacy Information Center (http://www.epic.org)
Feminists for Free Expression
National Libertarian Party (http://www.lp.org)
National Writers Union (http://www.nwu.org/nwu/)
People For the American Way (http://www.pfaw.org)
Voters Telecommunications Watch (http://www.vtw.org)
Wired Ventures Ltd. (http://www.hotwired.com)
======================================================================
the subject "help".
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 14:55:05 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in
Congress
Message-ID: <32027939.7B2B@tiac.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
you can go to
http://www.mainartery.com/GOVERNMENT
to find the email address of your representative or senator
in
Washington D.C. just click on e-mail addresses and it will
bring you to
email address site.
Patricia
just another service brought to you by Mainartery
Christine & David Stevenson wrote:
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:23:08 -0800
To: telstar@wired.com
From: telstar@wired.com (--Todd Lappin--)
Subject: RED ALERT: Surveillance Legislation in Congress
Free speech isn't only for those with dangerous ideas;
privacy isn't just
for suspected criminals.
As Internet users, we all have a stake in standing up for
free speech *and*
privacy.
With your indulgence, I'm passing along an important alert
regarding
several telecommunications surveillance proposals that
Congress may
adopt... perhaps as soon as FRIDAY.
If you can, please call Congress on Friday to insist that
our legislators
carefully consider the privacy implivations of any proposal
to expland the
FBI's wiretap authority. Your call can make a very big
difference.
Full details follow below.
Work the network!
--Todd Lappin--
Section Editor
WIRED Magazine
======================================================================
____ _____ ____ ___ _ _____ ____ _____
| _ \| ____| _ \ / _ \| | | ____| _ \_ _| CONGRESS RUSHING
TO
| |_) | _| | | | | | |_| | | | _| | |_) || | ENACT
SURVEILLANCE
| _ <| |___| |_| | | _ | |___| |___| _ < | |
LEGISLATION. CALL
|_| \_\_____|____/ |_| |_|_____|_____|_| \_\|_| CONGRESS
NOW! 8/1/96
REPOST THIS ALERT WHERE APPROPRIATE
DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE AFTER AUGUST 7, 1996
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Table of contents
Introduction
What you can do now
Background
Participating organizations
----------------------------------------------------------------------
INTRODUCTION
Late Wednesday, Congress and the Clinton Administration
reached a
preliminary agreement on a sweeping new surveillance
initiative. The
President and several Congressional leaders are pushing for
a vote on the
measure BEFORE CONGRESS RECESSES ON AUGUST 2.
If enacted, parts of the proposal would dramatically impact
privacy and
security on the Internet and other advanced communications
technologies.
Of particular concern are provisions which:
1. Allow law enforcement to wiretap "suspected terrorists"
for up to
48 hours WITHOUT obtaining a court order.
2. Provide funding for the Digital Telephony Proposal
without any public
accountability over how the FBI spends the funds
Other provisions are also circulating that would:
3. Impose new restrictions on encryption technologies
4. Criminalize the distribution of 'bomb-making'
information on
the Internet that is legal in print.
Congress needs to hear from you. Congress will rush through
the passage
of massive new surveillance plans with privacy risks unless
you
show them there is support for slow, deliberate, reasoned
thought on
the issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW
CALL YOUR MEMBER OF CONGRESS IMMEDIATELY
NO LATER THAN FRIDAY (8/2/96)
Please contact as many elected officials on the list below
as you can.
Urge them to "go slow" and carefully consider the impact
these
surveillance proposals will have on the privacy and
security of
Internet users.
Tell them while you appreciate their concern about
combating terrorism,
the measures being proposed have many potential side
effects which must be
carefully considered.
If you are at a loss for words, use the following sample
communique:
SAMPLE COMMUNIQUE
Dear _________,
Please do not rush the passage of counter terrorism
legislation;
I'm concerned that Congress is rushing without carefully
considering the implications of privacy. I'm from
Thanks,
You should call the following members of Congress because
they
are steering this legislation and need to know there is
support
for slow, deliberate, thoughtful consideration of this
issue.
Some of thee members *have publicly expressed reservations*
about this
legislation, and we should support them in their efforts.
Senate members:
P ST Name and Address Phone Fax
= == ======================== ============== ==============
R MS Lott, Trent 1-202-224-6253 1-202-224-2262
D DE Biden Jr., Joseph R. 1-202-224-5042 1-202-224-0139
D SD Daschle, Thomas A. 1-202-224-2321 1-202-224-2047
R UT Hatch, Orrin G. 1-202-224-5251 1-202-224-6331
R PA Specter, Arlen 1-202-224-4254 1-717-782-4920
D VT Leahy, Patrick J. 1-202-224-4242 1-202-224-3595
House members:
Dist ST Name, Address, and Party Phone Fax
==== == ======================== ==============
==============
6 GA Gingrich, Newt (R) 1-202-225-4501 1-202-225-4656
3 MO Gephardt, Richard A. (D) 1-202-225-2671 1-202-225-7452
6 IL Hyde, Henry J. (R) 1-202-225-4561 1-202-226-1240
14 MI Conyers Jr., John (D) 1-202-225-5126 1-202-225-0072
President William Clinton:
White House Comment Line: 1-202-456-1414
3. If you get a response, take a moment and send mail to
vtw@vtw.org
with "feedback" in the subject line.
$ Mail vtw@vtw.org
Subject: my feedback from calling Congress
They said they're not going to pass most of Clinton's
package,
because it upsets the delicate balance between law
enforcement and
the public.
^D
Mail sent!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND
Among other things, the law enforcement proposals
circulating on Capitol
Hill include provisions which:
o WIRETAPPING WITHOUT COURT ORDER ALLOWED FOR 48 HOURS
Congress and the President have already agreed to
provisions which
would dramatically expand law enforcement surveillance
authority. Both
of these provisions were proposed by the President as part
of the 1995
counter-terrorism legislation, but were dropped from the
final bill
after Republicans and civil liberties advocates objected.
The current proposal would expand law enforcement
surveillance
authority in two ways:
- Emergency 48 Hour Wiretap Authority: Current law requires
law
enforcement officials to get the affirmative consent of a
judge
before installing a wiretap.
The current proposal would expand law enforcement authority
to
wiretap "suspected terrorists" for up to 48 hours before
obtaining a
court order, limiting a critical 4th amendment safeguard.
- Multi-Point "Roving" Wiretaps: Current law allows law
enforcement to
tap only specific LOCATIONS (i.e., a telephone number). In
certain
very limited circumstances, law enforcement can tap a
specific
INDIVIDUAL if it can be shown to a judge that the suspect
is moving
from place to place with the specific intent of thwarting
law
enforcement.
The current proposal would expand this so-called "roving"
wiretap
authority by making it much easier for law enforcement to
tap specific
INDIVIDUALS as opposed to specific physical locations. This
change
would dramatically effect the balance between 4th Amendment
privacy
rights and public safety which has existed for nearly 30
years, and
should not be enacted without careful consideration of the
implications.
o FUNDING FOR DIGITAL TELEPHONY WITHOUT PUBLIC
ACCOUNTABILITY
The Administration and Congress are seeking funding to
implement the
Digital Telephony Law in a way which eliminates any
opportunity for
public oversight of law enforcement surveillance ability.
The controversial law, known officially as the
Communications
Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), granted the FBI
new
authority to influence the design of telecommunications
networks. At
the same time, the law provided substantial public
oversight over the
FBI's surveillance ability by requiring the FBI to state,
on the
public record, what its surveillance needs are.
The FBI has faced stiff resistance from civil liberties
groups and some
members of Congress and has not yet been able to obtain
funding to
implement the requirements of the law.
As part of the current proposal, the FBI is seeking a
mechanism which
will provide funding for CALEA in a way which skirts the
public
oversight provisions of the law. This is an extremely
troubling move
by law enforcement which, if enacted, would allow law
enforcement
essentially unlimited authority to influence the design of
telecommunications networks without any accountability.
Other provisions which could show up in legislation in the
next 72 hours are:
o BOMB MAKING MATERIAL ON THE INTERNET
In the wake of the recent public concern about terrorism,
Senators
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joseph Biden (D-DE) have
renewed their
efforts to pass legislation to restrict the availability of
'bomb-
making' information on the Internet.
The Feinstein/Biden amendment was added to the Senate
Defense
Appropriations bill (S. 1762) in early July, and is not
currently part
of the new law enforcement initiative. However, the
amendment poses a
serious threat to chill the the free flow of information on
the
Internet.
o NEW RESTRICTIONS ON ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGIES:
While no specific legislation has been proposed, the
Clinton
Administration has circulated an outline to Congress which
states:
"We will seek legislation to strengthen our ability to
prevent terrorists from coming into the possession of the
technology
to encrypt their communications and data so that they are
beyond the
reach of law enforcement."
This statement marks the first time that the Administration
has
suggested legislation to restrict encryption. This is
especially
troubling because it comes at a time of growing
Congressional support
for legislation to promote privacy and security tools for
the Net.
Of even more concern, the Administration is clearly
attempting to use
the recent suspected terrorist incidents to push for a new
and more
restrictive encryption policy.
If the Administration succeeds in passing new restrictions
on
encryption as part of the new surveillance legislation, the
future
of the Internet as a secure and trusted platform for
commerce and
private communication will be threatened.
Some or all of these provisions may be included in a
package voted
on by both houses by August 3rd. It is not clear what a
final bill
will look like, and some of these provisions may not be
considered by
Congress until later this summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS
The following organizations all urge you to take this
action to combat the
surveillance initiatives. Check their Web pages for more
background
information on these issues.
American Civil Liberties Union (http://www.aclu.org)
American Communication Association
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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 20:26:35 -0700
From: Thomas Hughes
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
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Subject: Monogomy
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when they run against the grain of what society
officially approves, they keep hidden.
The question is not what people will do, but what they
suffer if caught, what they can get away with without
penalty.
What lengths does one, and should one go to, for the sake
of a perfectly tailored erotic arrangement?
Society tends to always move in the direction the majority
benefits from.
The propagation of the race, is a very strong biological
urge. Society
usually tries to protect the family relationship at all
costs, and
anything perceived as threatening that is crushed. However,
there are
many examples, like the witch burning in New England, where
the majority
will yield to church or state power, even though they don't
agree, simply
to go along, as happened in Nazi Germany.
Today, anything that is considered a threat to marriage is
voted down,
i.e., same sex marriages. Morality changes in societies.
Maybe that's
why the ten commandments were written on stone, instead of
paper so we
couldn't change them? They're not the ten "suggestions" are
they?
Many things are hidden now that will all be revealed
someday (what you
whisper in secret shall be shouted from the housetop). As a
male who
lived a very self indulgent dishonest life for many years,
I can only say
hiding things from your mate can only cause sorrow and
pain. It robs you
of that closeness spiritually as well as physically, that
you need to
reach the place of peace and ultimate sexual fulfillment.
You never really "get away" with anything. You always know
what you've
done and have to look in the mirror. Sadly, lying to
ourselves is a
national pastime. Honesty is so hard to achieve, but we all
must strive
to be more real and honest, not just with partners, but
more importantly,
with ourselves. How much broken hearted wreckage is strewn
across the
landscape of our souls and the souls of our lovers, for the
sake of a
momentary thrill. What lengths? Some will go to any length.
Healthy?
I doubt it.
Each person must walk their own path. There are millions of
men and
many more millions of women who are totally monogamous and
loyal to one
person. They are seldom mentioned, but they're there. After
years of
being a lair and a cheat, I decided that was not the kind
of man I wanted
to be. I wanted a deeper relationship with my wife, and
more
importantly, a more honest relationship with myself. With
all sincerity,
I have never been happier than I am right now. I only wish
I would have
learned what far more women know than men, that there are
great benefits
to being loyal and committed to one person, and there are
very deep
emotions, feelings and spiritual truths to be learned and
experienced
from that kind of bonding. All of woman kind are my
friends, and deserve
respect and honesty. Being a sexual predator is exciting,
but
fulfilling? Not for me, not anymore. I wanted to change,
and be a
better man than one who sees women in only one or two self
serving
ways. At time it has been a painful journey, but the end
result will be
worth it. The human race needs more "humans." Monogamy is
awesome, it
works, and I have not been one of it's shining examples,
but I'm working
on it.
Peace,
Spirit Wind
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 177
Today's Topics:
Unidentified subject!
hello everybody!
Re: hello everybody!
help
Re: help
Re: help
Re: Spirit etc: Dee-Ann ...
Re: hello everybody! ...on becoming a Goddess
uses for men
Re: uses for men
Welcome to the list (Re: hello everybody!)
Re: help
Re: help
Web pages. (Was: Re: help)
Re: uses for men
Re: uses for men
Re: uses for men
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 17:01:53 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Spirit wind wrote:
Society tends to always move in the direction the majority
benefits from.
Oh! If only that were true! Define *society*.
The propagation of the race, is a very strong biological
urge. Society
usually tries to protect the family relationship at all
costs, and
anything perceived as threatening that is crushed.
Yeah, but *define family*. I believe it's obvious that
propagation and
monogamy are separable. I believe that non-monogamous
arrangements might
favor propagation and survival better than the monogamous
model. I wouldn't
take it as a given that monogamy is the best marriage
arrangement, nor the
best type of family for the upbringing of children.
Many things are hidden now that will all be revealed
someday (what you
whisper in secret shall be shouted from the housetop). As a
male who
lived a very self indulgent dishonest life for many years,
I can only say
hiding things from your mate can only cause sorrow and
pain.
I agree, which is why my husband and I have a very happy,
honest,
non-monogamous marriage.
All of woman kind are my friends, and deserve
respect and honesty. Being a sexual predator is exciting,
but
fulfilling? Not for me, not anymore.
Fine, but FYI, many non-monogamist polyamorists have deep
love and respect
for their partners. Polyamory does not equal thrill-seeking
sexual
predation, necessarily.
Speaking of monogamy, if it works for you, fine.
Unfortunately, the
monogamous marriage has been a prison for women, that was
in most cases not
freely chosen but forced upon us. The average woman has ten
times the
sexual stamina of the average man, and women give up more
than men do to
limit themselves to one partner.
As for propagation, the world is overcrowded and we should
give it a rest
already. In our modern world, we gotta emphasize the
non-procreative
benefits of love, pleasure, and social bonding. I say every
mother needs at
least 2 husbands just to make ends meet anymore! ;) But why
stop there? If
a woman has 4 husbands all contributing to the common
family welfare, the
children that result will enjoy many benefits! The woman
will get all the
sex she wants, the kids will have a huge extended family,
the husbands will
have a lighter duty load per person, and who says some of
those husbands
couldn't be women? I say Gay and multiple marriages should
be perfectly
legal and blessed by the church! My church blesses them
already! (We are
still working on the legal part). :)
Oh, brave new world...don't wait for it like it's a bus!
Laura Goodwin
"The heart has its reasons which reason doesn't know."
(Pascal)
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:26:15 -0400
From: Mslv4F@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: hello everybody!
Message-ID: <960803172614_171074526@emout18.mail.aol.com
A warm hello to everybody!
Since I am a new subscriber to the list, I thought I would
take the
opportunity to express how delighted I am to encounter a
resource seriously
dedicated to topics relating to Female Supremacy. I come
here as a student,
eager to learn and be enlightened about a topic which, at
the risk of
sounding trite, is very important to me and central to my
belief system. It
is my hope that the discussions here will inform me and
help me develop as a
person, and that I can make a meaningful contribution. I so
look forward to
participating here.
For purposes of refernce, I am a male, 30 years old, and
believe firmly in
the biological and intellectual veracity of Female
Supremacy. I would
welcome hearing from anybody that might wish to share
thoughts on the
subject.
Thanks!
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Emerson Wright
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
cc: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: hello everybody!
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On Sat, 3 Aug 1996 Mslv4F@aol.com wrote:
A warm hello to everybody!
Mslv4F,
Welcome to the list, and thank you for your intelligent and
courteous
introduction. This *is* an excellent place for discussion,
and I look
forward to your contributions.
Peace,
Barry
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 21:15:31 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: help
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well hello new person...nice entrance.
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
I will get over the personal part of this really easy...but
the attack
on professional work...jolted me badly....and I know many
of you would
not fool me or just be polite....I trust so many of you....
so thanks in advance for going and peeking and being honest
with me
Patricia
http://www.mainartery.com
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 21:39:08 -0500
From: Roland Foy
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: help
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Noble wrote:
that my web work and pages are amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
Patricia
http://www.mainartery.comPatricia,
I find your site easy to navigate, entertaining,
informative and
well laid out. Ok, a couple of "under construction" pages
but that just
shows growth. Your use of Java is tasteful and understated
(the confused
simian is quite amusing). As I have written several pages
for our
intranet at work, I feel qualified to offer you a positive
critique. The
only adjustment from my viewpoint would be to move the "for
sale" items
to their own page. Is it possible your "detractor" has part
ownership
in the house of shame? ;-) Many sites make extensive use of
backdrops,
frames and applets but provide little content. This IMHO is
just a waste
of bandwidth. Your creation is quite pleasing to the eye
and
informative. Worry not, your work is very professional.
Roland
-------
Father: I think our son got all his brains from me!
Mother: Probably, I still have all mine.
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: zbobz
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: help
Message-Id:
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At 09:15 PM 8/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
well hello new person...nice entrance.
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web.
Patricia
http://www.mainartery.com
Hello Patricia,
I looked. There were things I liked, and things I didn't
like as well, but
nothing I could see that would fit the description
"amateurish," nor
anything unprofessional.
The design seemed tasteful, and it worked well. I could see
how the
regular geometry of the graphics and text based menu might
strike some as
uninteresting.
Personally I see that as more of an issue of personal
preference, and
intent, rather than professionalism. I've seen many
confusing, cluttered
layouts elsewhere that were barely functional. I like the
scripts (the
monkey for example). Bottom line of my opinion: it was ok;
depends on what
effect you were trying for, and what the expectations were
of the one doing
the criticizing. I don't think there are any real standards
in web page
design any more than there are standards in advertising
elsewhere ...
depends on what the customer wants.
Hope my opinion is of help to you.
zbobz
the subject "help".
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: zbobz
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Spirit etc: Dee-Ann ...
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At 11:26 PM 7/30/96 -0700, you wrote:
Coyote Sings wrote:
I'm glad you've asked. I said it was, and ended up as
Dee's Tantric archives-but-no-sex slave for the duration.
Duration of what I'm not sure.
That's what you get for speaking up. You should know
better. ;)
----
I hope Coyote hasn't become lost in the labyrinth's of the
internet
or enslaved by evil mulberry specters.
----
But thank you for the post, zbobz
Ditto...I'll get to it in a little while. I'm kind of busy
at the
moment, and that was a long sucker!
----
Nah, it's not so long ... it only seems long on account of
being
said in such a tedious way.
Want the short version? What it says is that the reality of
the
Goddess can be understood and appreciated intellectually in
addition
to being felt emotionally.
Important for some folks (like me, from the planet of
France) but not
necessarily for everybody.
----
zbobz
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 01:03:41 -0400
From: Mailena@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: hello everybody! ...on becoming a Goddess
Message-ID: <960804010341_171283443@emout12.mail.aol.com
In a message dated 96-08-03 17:29:22 EDT, you write:
<< For purposes of refernce, I am a male, 30 years
old, and believe firmly in
the biological and intellectual veracity of Female
Supremacy. I would
welcome hearing from anybody that might wish to share
thoughts on the
subject.
Have you ever considered transforming yourself into a
Goddess?
Mailena
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:55:08 +0000
From: 9521295@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: uses for men
Message-ID: <77F1F4C62E8@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk
I would like to respond to the recent letter about 10 uses
for unruly males,
which I cannot at the moment find. Not all men are abusive,
macho jerks.
In fact, some of us who are not have been given the least
respect by women
precisely because we are not aggressive, macho, or built
like Hercules. How
about a list of uses for us ? Here is my view of 10 things
that I'm good
for:
1.) I am capable of giving a woman a great deal of love and
emotional
support.
2.) Helping to pay the bills. Unlike some who want to serve
partly because
they are too incompetent, lazy or addicted to hold down a
job, I have never
had any problems staying employed.
3) Companionship. No REAL human being is 100% dominant or
superior, or
submissive or inferior. A partner is someone you have to be
able to enjoy
life with. An evening out, a holiday, or a walk in the
country. Even if
later on you make him kiss your feet while you assign him
his chores for the
next day.
4.) Teaching. I am highly educated and talented. Most
people could learn a
lot from me, and I would learn from them if I could.
5.) I would happily do the housework and run errands in
order to please my
lady.
6.) On testimony of a number of ladies, I give excellent
foot massages.
7. I would like to serve my lady breakfast in bed.
8. Hugging, cuddling and caressing. Every normal human
needs affection.
9. Taking out frustrations on after a tough day. People
often effectively
use things like punching dolls, martial arts, and other
forms of physical
exercise to release frustration. As I watch the Olympics,
it is obvious
that most of the female athletes I see could easily beat me
up if they
wanted too. As long as they didn't break any bones or
anything, I would
not mind if a few of them did.
10. As a sex slave.
As Rosie O'Donnell said in a movie about S&M, I think
it was called Eden or
something, alot of men are jerks, " AND IF WE DON'T START
APPRECIATING THE
GOOD ONES, THERE WON'T BE ANY LEFT." And while we are on
the subject, a lot
of women are jerks as well.
Sign me,
Unappreciated
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:17:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
Message-Id: <199608041617.MAA10030@cyber2.servtech.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 04:55 PM 8/4/96 +0000, 9521295 wrote:
I would like to respond to the recent letter about 10 uses
for unruly males,
which I cannot at the moment find. Not all men are abusive,
macho jerks.
In fact, some of us who are not have been given the least
respect by women
precisely because we are not aggressive, macho, or built
like Hercules.
I think in a superficial way this may be true, although I
suspect as women
mature and gain life experience they come to respect and
value the caring
quiet types. But I'm still waiting to see if this is
actually true.
Certainly aggression and other stereotypical "male" traits
have their place
in society as long as they are properly channeled (business
world, sports,
etc) and tempered with typically "female" traits such as
empathy, teamwork,
sensitivity, etc.
How about a list of uses for us ? Here is my view of 10
things that I'm good
for:
1.) I am capable of giving a woman a great deal of love and
emotional
support.
That certainly is #1 in my book also. Be aware however that
some people are
unable to accept love due to past experiences. That's the
most frustrating
part for me in my search for a partner.
2.) Helping to pay the bills. Unlike some who want to serve
partly because
they are too incompetent, lazy or addicted to hold down a
job, I have never
had any problems staying employed.
Yep. Competence, good self-esteem and self-worth are
important traits, the
more we can offer, the greater our gift is valued.
3) Companionship. No REAL human being is 100% dominant or
superior, or
submissive or inferior. A partner is someone you have to be
able to enjoy
life with. An evening out, a holiday, or a walk in the
country. Even if
later on you make him kiss your feet while you assign him
his chores for the
next day.
Well, some FAKE ones like to think they are ;) But
seriously, without
companionship and friendship a relationship has a shaky
foundation.
8. Hugging, cuddling and caressing. Every normal human
needs affection.
I agree. Modern society has produced a lot of touch-starved
people, so many
now live alone and/or far from their family and friends.
9. Taking out frustrations on after a tough day. People
often effectively
use things like punching dolls, martial arts, and other
forms of physical
exercise to release frustration. As I watch the Olympics,
it is obvious
that most of the female athletes I see could easily beat me
up if they
wanted too. As long as they didn't break any bones or
anything, I would
not mind if a few of them did.
I disagree. Take the frustration and violence out on a
punching bag, not
another human being. IMHO domination and submission should
be an act of
love, not abuse.
As Rosie O'Donnell said in a movie about S&M, I think
it was called Eden or
something, alot of men are jerks, " AND IF WE DON'T START
APPRECIATING THE
GOOD ONES, THERE WON'T BE ANY LEFT." And while we are on
the subject, a lot
of women are jerks as well.
I think most Ladies on this list appreciate the "good
ones", whatever that
means. Everyone will define it differently.
Regards, Paul
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 12:11:37 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Welcome to the list (Re: hello everybody!)
Message-Id:
<2.2.32.19960804161137.0068fa50@popd.ix.netcom.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 05:26 PM 8/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
A warm hello to everybody!
Well hello there Mslv4F, I believe I have chatted with you
before in AOL's
Chateau, or one of the similar rooms. I have a temp acct.
with AOL right
now (MeLaLaura@aol.com) maybe I will see you around.
FYI, I'm married to a slave husband, we are both bisexual
and very active in
both the Gay and Leather scenes, both online and in RL
(real life).
One of my dearest friends with AOL is DaveRsub, look for
him. Anyone he
points out to you is probably true blue also.
Laura Goodwin
"The heart has its reasons which reason doesn't know."
(Pascal)
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: help
Message-Id: <199608041633.MAA10797@cyber2.servtech.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 09:15 PM 8/3/96 -0700, Patricia wrote:
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
Patricia- I checked out your web page. All in all, I think
it is a very
solid effort and yes, professional. There is a lot of
content there also,
which is very important. I do have a few ideas however that
may make it
even better.
The title banner and links at the top of the main page
appear to be a little
cramped. I prefer more white space, but that's just me ;)
Maybe some
horizontal lines would help define sections of your pages
too. Another
suggestion is to add some graphic background textures (like
you have on the
people page). That may spice up things and give the user a
more visually
pleasing experience. I've used some textures to good effect
(or so I think)
on my personal web page.
Also, something you might want to think about is giving the
user a
consistent interface (buttons, links, etc). With a site as
large as yours,
folks may get
somewhat lost as the get in deeper and deeper. You may want
to consider
using frames (a Netscape HTML extension). I use frames in
my professional
web site.
I really do like your site, Patricia, it just needs a
little polishing IMHO.
Tell that bozo where to go, he knows not of what he speaks.
It's obvious
you have talent and have put a great deal of hard work into
your site. It
is not wasted.
Warm Regards, Paul
p.s. just wanted express my support publicly
the subject "help".
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 13:19:56 -0700
From: Noble
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <320505EC.4D5C@tiac.net
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hugs Paul
and feeling much stronger this morning
(@) (@)
c
\_____/
Patricia
pgm@servtech.com wrote:
At 09:15 PM 8/3/96 -0700, Patricia wrote:
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
Patricia- I checked out your web page. All in all, I think
it is a very
solid effort and yes, professional. There is a lot of
content there also,
which is very important. I do have a few ideas however that
may make it
even better.
The title banner and links at the top of the main page
appear to be a little
cramped. I prefer more white space, but that's just me ;)
Maybe some
horizontal lines would help define sections of your pages
too. Another
suggestion is to add some graphic background textures (like
you have on the
people page). That may spice up things and give the user a
more visually
pleasing experience. I've used some textures to good effect
(or so I think)
on my personal web page.
Also, something you might want to think about is giving the
user a
consistent interface (buttons, links, etc). With a site as
large as yours,
folks may get
somewhat lost as the get in deeper and deeper. You may want
to consider
using frames (a Netscape HTML extension). I use frames in
my professional
web site.
I really do like your site, Patricia, it just needs a
little polishing IMHO.
Tell that bozo where to go, he knows not of what he speaks.
It's obvious
you have talent and have put a great deal of hard work into
your site. It
is not wasted.
Warm Regards, Paul
p.s. just wanted express my support publicly
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 20:52:55 +0200
From: "Magnus Thelander"
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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT), pgm@servtech.com
wrote:
somewhat lost as the get in deeper and deeper. You may want
to consider
using frames (a Netscape HTML extension). I use frames in
my professional
web site.
If you want to produce a professional site for the general
public, you
either have to stay away from frames or build both a frame
and a
none-frame version. Frames are a proprietary and
non-standard feature
conceived by Netscape, and AFAIU it won't ever make it into
the official
HTML standard. It is estimated that 20% of the web users
don't use
Navigator.
If you're producing for an intranet, you're of course free
to use
whatever tags you like as long as they're supported by the
web browser
designated by your organization.
---
Magnus Thelander
Malmo, Sweden
"Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives."
---Todd Lappin
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:28:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: rrlelnd@escape.ca (David Land)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
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At 04:55 PM 8/4/96 +0000, 9521295 wrote:
I would like to respond to the recent letter about 10 uses
for unruly males,
which I cannot at the moment find. Not all men are abusive,
macho jerks.
In fact, some of us who are not have been given the least
respect by women
precisely because we are not aggressive, macho, or built
like Hercules.
There is a cause-and effect argument here: because some M
is not
aggressive, macho, or built like Hercules, some M are not
respected by
(any?) women.
Or, put differently, male aggression and body-building
cause some women to
respect some men.
I am of the opinion that crudity and laziness are more
disgusting than the
absence of aggression or a powerful physique.
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:25:35 +0000
From: 9521295@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
Message-ID: <783A1434A65@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk
Thank you. I'll try to be less sensitive.
Peace!
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 16:31:04 -0700
From: Noble
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I believe she was making a joke, why are you all so
defensive...would we
be talking to you all if we thought "you" were jerks.
they always accuse feminists of having no sense of humor...
you know how many times women have to put up with those..
all women are good for .. all the time..everywhere.
she did not mean you..unless, of course she was talking
about you...
I don't see why you need to rise to the defense of such
men...
and am beginning to get a sense of "thou doth protest too
much."
and...if that email she wrote is all it takes for you to
abandon your
male sensitive ways..then they weren't really that strongly
a part of
you were they....too bad, if you give them up....big loss.
Patricia
9521295@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK wrote:
Thank you. I'll try to be less sensitive.
Peace!
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 178
Today's Topics:
Re: uses for men
help
Re: femsupremacy-digest Digest V96 #175
Web pages
Re: Web pages
Re: uses for men
Re: uses for men
The communism of the 1990s (fwd)
Re: uses for men
Family? etc.(Re: Monogomy)
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:23:24 +0000
From: 9521295@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
Message-ID: <78497C50DD3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk
RE:
I believe she was making a joke,
to a large extent I was too. At least trying to mix humor
with expression
of my feelings.
RE:
why are you all so defensive...would we be talking to you
all if we thought
"you" were jerks.
You might, Rabbit, you might. That doesn't mean that I
think all women do
or that no men do, but I know enough about human nature to
know that many
people do exactly that. In fact, I know both men and women
who I see
talking to people one minute and telling someone else "I
hate his/her guts"
the next.
RE:
they always accuse feminists of having no sense of humor...
you know how many times women have to put up with those..
all women are good for .. all the time..everywhere.
she did not mean you..unless, of course she was talking
about you...
I don't see why you need to rise to the defense of such
men...
and am beginning to get a sense of "thou doth protest too
much."
I merely tried to get another kind of list (one that I like
better) out
there, not defend anyone who fits the first description.
and RE:
and...if that email she wrote is all it takes for you to
abandon your
male sensitive ways..then they weren't really that strongly
a part of
you were they....too bad, if you give them up....big loss.
Patricia
I fear that I am still a sensitive person, and try as I
might it is hard to
change that. I try to admit it when I am wrong, and thought
I did.
9521295@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK wrote:
Thank you. I'll try to be less sensitive.
Peace!
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Date: 04 Aug 96 17:50:57 EDT
From: OhEadhra <101342.2030@CompuServe.COM
To: FS
Subject: help
Message-ID:
<960804215057_101342.2030_GHW131-1@CompuServe.COM
Patricia wrote :
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
Ok - so its may not be *arty farty* - so what ! Its a fast
loader
(graphics lite - thats good), and there is plenty to read.
As an artist, I have become used to people liking or
disliking the things I
do - in the end, go for what YOU think is right. Ignore
criticism, it will
cramp your style.
As a professional computer programmer, I admire the way you
have learned
the techniques for web page production - it isnt easy - is
it !
No one ever masters any computer language totally, so if
you see something
you admire on another web page - discover how its done -
copy the technique
- and its just a matter of time before you will have more
strings to your
web publishing bow than you know what to do with.
I can only reiterate the advice you have already been
given, be careful not
to be sucked into using *sooper-dooper* plugins that will
only work on a
minority of browsers.
Dennis (t.o.m)
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:10:01 -0400
From: Sharchi73@aol.com
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: femsupremacy-digest Digest V96 #175
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Please take me off this list. Sorry I don't know the proper
address to send
this request.
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 17:04:00 -0700
From: Jet
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Web pages
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Patricia--
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
I just looked at your Web page and I think it looks very
professional
and very well put together. Everything seems to be in place
and looks
terrific. Very well proportioned and very easy to read.
I will get over the personal part of this really easy...but
the attack
on professional work...jolted me badly....and I know many
of you would
not fool me or just be polite....I trust so many of you....
Don't let this "friend" get to you... It's obvious that
this person is
not worth much if he can't be supportive. Friends don't
tear down friends.
And if this fool thinks that it is constructive criticism
to tear down some-
one, then he better think again. What he did is try to ruin
your self-
confidence and self-esteem. You are better than that,
Patricia. Please
continue setting up your web pages...
Jet
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 20:04:35 -0700
From: Noble
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hugs Jet...I am better today..and everyone has been so
helpful.
just a momentary glitch.....thanks
Patricia
Jet wrote:
Patricia--
gang..I need some honesty from you all. I just got rather
badly trashed
by someone I had been becoming friends with I thought. he
now informs
me rather stingly .. that my web work and pages are
amateurish and in no
way up to competing professionally on the web. I have spent
a lot of
time and money trying to get them polished...I really would
appreciate
some unbiased truth about them. If you could find the time
to go look
at them and PLEASEPLEASE ...BE HONEST...if I am fooling
myself I
really don't want to spend one more second of my life doing
that.
I just looked at your Web page and I think it looks very
professional
and very well put together. Everything seems to be in place
and looks
terrific. Very well proportioned and very easy to read.
I will get over the personal part of this really easy...but
the attack
on professional work...jolted me badly....and I know many
of you would
not fool me or just be polite....I trust so many of you....
Don't let this "friend" get to you... It's obvious that
this person is
not worth much if he can't be supportive. Friends don't
tear down friends.
And if this fool thinks that it is constructive criticism
to tear down some-
one, then he better think again. What he did is try to ruin
your self-
confidence and self-esteem. You are better than that,
Patricia. Please
continue setting up your web pages...
Jet
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:29:54 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
Message-ID:
FEAs Rosie O'Donnell said in a movie about S&M, I think
it was called Eden or
FEsomething, alot of men are jerks, " AND IF WE DON'T START
APPRECIATING THE
FEGOOD ONES, THERE WON'T BE ANY LEFT." And while we are on
the subject, a lo
FEof women are jerks as well.
FEI think most Ladies on this list appreciate the "good
ones", whatever that
FEmeans. Everyone will define it differently.
Ok. Where are they?
HELLOOOOO!!!! Any of you between Jersey Coast and Boston?
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:48:59 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: williams@bayboro.stpt.usf.edu
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
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On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM wrote:
Ok. Where are they?
HELLOOOOO!!!! Any of you between Jersey Coast and Boston?
Well, no actually.... There is something in the Jersey
water. All the
good men are in Florida and Sweden :^)
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: The communism of the 1990s (fwd)
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Forwarding a posting someone made to another list, which
contains an
article from "Village Voice." I think this kind of thing is
of
concern to anyone who lives an "alternative lifestyle" in
the US.
From this week's Village Voice
Who Opened Their E-mail?
It's the Kiddie Porn Crusaders
by ANNETTE FUENTES
Don't look now, but some FBI suits may be lurking around
the chat room or,
worse, secretly surveilling your e-mail and other private
cyberspace
communications. And chances are it's all in the name of
fighting child
pornography.
That's what two New York City women learned recently when
each received
certified mail from the U.S. Justice Department. The
letters, dated May
20, explained that ''between the dates of August 1, 1995
and August 26,
1995, electronic communications involving you or persons
using your
America Online username were intercepted.''
The letters listed six targeted AOL account numbers and
their respective
screen names, like Cyberqueer, Yngcumlvr, and Borntocum
none of which had
any connection to the women.
''I was horrified,'' said Elizabeth Ewen. ''At first I
didn't understand
what it was all about. I didn't recognize any of the screen
names.''
Ewen, a professor at SUNY Old Westbury, called the
assistant U.S. attorney
who'd signed the letter, John David Kuchta, in Virginia. He
told her the
rationale for the surveillance was child porn. She told him
she felt her
privacy and civil rights had been violated.
''He said, 'Don't worry, you were just caught up in the
net. You didn't do
anything criminal, and you should support what we're
doing,' '' Ewen
recalled.
Two days after Ewen got her letter, a friend of hers got
the same thing.
Margaret S. (she asked that her last name not be used), an
educator in the
Queens library system, was stunned to learn that almost a
year after the
fact, the FBI was disclosing that they'd been spying on her
travels
through cyberspace.
''I don't expect total privacy online the same way I know
the telephone
isn't really private,'' she said. ''But how often will the
government
raise the specter of child porn to justify this? We're just
supposed to
forget our civil rights in the name of it.''
Margaret e-mailed AOL with a message of outrage. In return
she got a form
letter from Jean Villanueva, a vice president for corporate
communications, stating that AOL had merely complied with a
court order
obtained by the Justice Department when it ''monitored''
the e-mail of six
AOL subscribers. It was part of Justice's campaign,
''Innocent Images,''
Villanueva wrote. In closing, he referred members to a
special Justice
Department hotline set up to deal with AOL subscribers like
Margaret and
Ewen, innocents caught in the web. (By deadline, AOL had
not responded to
several calls seeking comment.)
Margaret called the hotline, left a message, and two weeks
later got a
call back from Tonya Fox at Justice. Fox told her there
were some 840
other AOL subscribers like her who'd accidentally stumbled
into the FBI's
cyber wiretaps. ''She kept telling me over and over that I
was 'clean,'
that I shouldn't worry,'' Margaret said. ''She also said if
I wanted to
read the file on my surveillance, I should get a lawyer.''
How Ewen and Margaret were scooped up by the FBI they can't
figure out. If
one of them tripped into FBI surveillance of a suspected
pornographer, did
she then lead the feds to her friend through their e-mail
correspondence?
ACLU associate director Barry Steinhardt says that while
it's legal for
the government armed with a warrant to surveil the e-mail
and other
private cyber communications of suspected criminals, it is
not legal to
extend the surveillance to unrelated communications of
innocent bystanders
who chance into chat rooms or read electronic bulletin
boards while a
suspect is also present.
''What has happened here is the most intrusive form of
e-mail
interception,'' Steinhardt said. ''The government can get a
subpoena to
intercept real-time e-mail, which is the equivalent of
phone wiretapping.
They can also use a variety of devices to retrieve stored
e-mail.'' But,
adds Steinhardt, what is legal and what should be lawful
are two different
things.
Mike Godwin, an attorney with the San Francisco'based
Electronic Frontier
Foundation, a civil liberties organization, warns that as
government
expands its reach into cyberspace, such incursions into
private lives will
pose a greater threat to civil liberties than simple phone
taps. ''It was
necessary for law enforcement to learn how to narrow the
scope of
wiretapping, but here you have this technology where you're
always making
copies, always storing material somewhere,'' Godwin said.
''It makes it
very easy to get even deleted files that stay around for a
while. That's
not true about telephone calls.''
Justin Williams, chief of the Justice Department's criminal
division in
Alexandria, Virginia, could not comment on the particular
investigation
that snared Ewen and Margaret. But he insisted that what
happened to them
''was not a surveillance.''
''You wouldn't say their e-mail was read,'' Williams said.
''It could be
they were surfing the Internet and happened into a
particular room where
by chance there is an [individual] under electronic
surveillance.''
Williams said their hotline received 160 calls from AOL
subscribers such
as Ewen and Margaret. While the statute regulating
government
surveillance Title III requires Justice to notify the
targets of
eavesdropping, notifying innocent bystanders is
discretionary, he said.
Williams could not say how many such online surveillances
the Justice
Department is conducting. But ACLU lawyer Steinhardt says
in the past
year, the government's pursuit of child porn in cyberspace
has reached a
fever pitch.
''Most online surveillance by the government is now
centered on child
porn,'' he said. ''It has people assigned to child porn
investigations who
are fascinated by the use of the Internet to distribute it.
They're no
longer going after the producers who actually abuse
children. They're
going after consumers. It's easier, splashier.''
Splashy and messy for those who happen to be in the wrong
cyber place, if
only for a nanosecond. For Ewen, the witch-hunt has begun
again.
''Child porn will become the communism of the '90s,'' she
said.
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:48:01 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: uses for men
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David Land wrote:
I am of the opinion that crudity and laziness are more
disgusting than the
absence of aggression or a powerful physique.
I personally agree. Absence of aggression can be seen as a
virtue, and
a powerful physique is beautiful only if the power is not
misused. Lack
of a showpiece bod should not discourage men *or* women
from feeling
good about the sensual bodies that they *do* have.
Crudity to me bespeaks lack of civilizing influences, which
might be
forgiveable. Laziness is just plain bad, but may be
attributed to
upbringing, or mental difficulties such as Attention
Deficit Disorder,
Depression, or other manageable states. In any case, a male
who is
healthy, active, self-repecting, *and* adoring to women is
certainly
ideal.
--
Laura Goodwin
"The heart has its reasons which reason doesn't know."
(Pascal)
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 02:11:37 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: thughes@crosslink.net
Cc: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Family? etc.(Re: Monogomy)
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Spirit wind wrote:
the traditional family has been the most prevalent by far,
and has worked
for thousands of years. I.e. we are still here aren't we?
Families are still here because of _mothers_. There are
*traditions*, and
~traditions~...it's also traditional in every culture since
time began for
women to raise the children whether there was a dependable
father in the
picture or not. In every mammalian species, the females
raise the
offspring, with or without the aid of a male mate. That's a
family! If
natural law is Divine Law, then maternal dominance is
divinely ordained.
Mating is not what makes a family...any beast can
procreate. Being there
and caring, fostering the offspring, that's what makes a
family. If a man is
there and actively cares, he's a *father*. Otherwise he's
just a *fuck*,
and should get the fuck out of the mother's way.
Too many women think that because a guy fucks you that he
therefore should
have some say over your life, and the life of your kids.
Fooey! If he's a
father and a true husband, sure! But if he's a bozo except
in bed he should
stay the hell out of a woman's family decisions.
Women should rule their own households. Mothers should have
final say in
all family decisions. Men should be jolly good sports or
get lost. That's
my opinion and I'm standing by it.
I also feel that women have too easily accepted as a given
the idea that
one-on-one is a beneficial arrangement. I do wish more
women would
seriously question the wisdom of this notion. In the
leather scene there
are at least ten guys for every gal...if more gals would
keep harems of men,
more guys would have mistresses to call their own. This
might be
beneficial, too!
As for confusing children...don't underestimate children.
They can
certainly accept any arrangement they are raised up in. As
long as the
adults aren't confused, they won't be either.
Laura Goodwin
"The heart has its reasons which reason doesn't know."
(Pascal)
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Oh! If only that were true! Define *society*.
American society, and I was giving their reasons, not mine.
Yeah, but *define family*
I wouldn't take it as a given that monogamy is the best
marriage arrangement, nor the best type of family for the
upbringing of children.
My point was that society tries to safeguard the family.
They are often
wrong, and accomplish the opposite of their stated goals.
Also the
traditional family has been the most prevalent by far, and
has worked
for thousands of years. I.e. we are still here aren't we?
This is a
stated positive not an implied negative about one persons
perspective.
Polyamory does not equal thrill-seeking sexual
predation, necessarily.
Certainly not. This was not said nor implied. Again, I made
positive
statements about monogamy from my perspective. No negatives
were
implied to honest, caring people. Predators use people
selfishly,
without caring about the other person, i.e., "fresh meat."
As for propagation, the world is overcrowded and we should
give it a rest
already.
Amen to that one!
The children that result will enjoy many benefits!
Can't agree with you there. To me it would be terribly
confusing and
unsettling for a child to grow up in the situation you
described. I
think the one father and mother situation is the one we
were given in
the beginning (Genesis) and it is the ideal. Adam and Eve,
not Adam and
Steve? Again, no implied criticism or condemnation here.
I'm stating
my opinion. To me social chaos would result from a complete
abolition
of the traditional family structure. I have seen much
wreckage along
the way of people who tried alternative arrangements, and
because of
jealousy or lust and anger, came apart at the seems, and
ended up
destroying their relationship. Speaking only for myself,
there are
great benefits to being a one woman guy. These thoughts are
respectfully submitted, with no unkind intentions. On some
things we
can disagree without being disagreeable!
Always listening, for that still small voice,
Spirit Wind
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From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
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David Land wrote:
There is a cause-and effect argument here: because some M
is not
aggressive, macho, or built like Hercules, some M are not
respected by
(any?) women.
I think this is a far too simplistic statement. I prefer
men who
aren't "bonehead macho" but also aren't "doormats."
Personally, I
don't respect a man who competes for Mr. Universe any more
than any
other man, and in fact find that kind of overpumped
physique way
beyond my tastes. If anything, I may discriminate against a
man built
like that assuming he's over-vain. Not fair, I know.
To me, a man with a sense of himself, who cares about
others, who
isn't driven by ego or pride, and at least cares about his
appearance
is the way to go. Guys I run into who seem to be looking to
be owned
by a woman only so they never have to think for themselves
are totally
unattractive, as are guys who care so little about
themselves that
they will submit to any woman who will take them (without
bothering to
make sure she's not an axe-murderer first). However, guys
who feel
that they have to always push and bait a woman to get her
to do
"horrible things" to him are also unattractive. Needless to
say,
guys who treat women like we're all idiots and should stay
in the
kitchen are the least attractive of all. I don't care what
they look
like, I see no need to put up with that kind of attitude.
(The following is all, of course, IMO. Not speaking for all
women,
just for myself.)
So, what am I trying to say? Overly aggressive ("Dominate
me bitch")
is unattractive. Moderately aggressive ("Hi, I know you
don't know
me, but I wanted to tell you I really like your web page")
is
acceptable. Total passivity ("I'll do anything any woman
wants") is
unattractive.
Overly macho ("I can spit tobacco 300 yards") is
unattractive.
Moderatly macho ("I'll be happy to change your tire") is
just peachy
as long as it's not pushy and assuming that I don't know
what I'm
doing. Feminine, which is I guess what I'd call "lack of
macho" ("I
know I'm a guy, but I'm happiest in a dress and with
painted
toenails") is also just peachy.
As far as "built" goes...I don't go for overly pumped up
guys. I find
it kind of gross. I also don't really go for being able to
see
someone's ribs. A little muscle tone can be nice. Guys who
go to
BDSM events expecting women to all be wearing PVC and
latex, but who
didn't bother to wear more than a pair of jeans and a
T-shirt baffle
me.
Or, put differently, male aggression and body-building
cause some women to
respect some men.
I will agree with the "some women" part. "Some men" also
respect male
aggression and body-building. I wouldn't say, though, that
male
aggression equates with body-building. I'm sure not all
body-builders
are aggressive people. And, remember, "aggression" isn't
necessarily
a bad thing. Overly aggressive is, IMO, a bad thing.
Aggression can
simply mean the willingness to start a conversation with
someone.
Dee-Ann
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:54:55 -0700, you wrote:
tricky aka peter aka kriv:
I ain't buying into this one..making it appear that we
DOMMES are
competing..such a male trick....I know we are all too good
for that...as
for me I chose to call you tricky....and so I will
Patricia
You are right, Patricia. Men like me should know our place
- I'm a
slut who'll lick the ass of any woman who wishes it!
peter
Peter Saxton, from London
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Hopefully others wouldn't find any type of discussion on
Female Supremacy too
lurid. am trying to learn from mine and other people's
view. tom
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The Night-Hag,
Whose visions of female supremacy discussions are too
lurid to be detailed here to those of tender sensibilities.
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jnbry@ix.netcom.com wrote:
My wife and I are also, on the surface, in the traditional
mold. I am the
professional male "breadwinner"; my wife is the stay at
home mom, complete
with a minivan for getting the kids to and from soccer
practice. I don't
mean this to be flippant; my wife *works* at being a
homemaker. She is the
home room mother teachers kill for. She has a master's
degree, is *very*
intelligent and, I'm thrilled to say, dominant. What she
wants wants right
now is to be the primary influence in our children's lives.
I would respect any decision she makes. The only areas I
want an equal say
in are those pertaining to values and beliefs (religion,
politics, etc) and
the raising of our kids. However, in truth, I'm thrilled
that she is with
our boys when I am not.
So I wonder, what do the advocates of a FS future think of
such a
"traditional" woman?
My answer is similar to the answers of others on this list.
I feel
that FS is about giving people choices. Part of what turned
me off of
the word "feminist" as a child was the feeling that
"feminists" felt
all women should be one certain type of person. Wouldn't
that be a
boring world?
Some women want to be free to go out into the workplace and
have their
husband stay at home, doing the housework and raising the
kids. Other
women want to do the opposite, to be able to stay home and
raise the
children and take care of the house. (This really applies
to any
gender combination.) There are myriads of other
arrangements, and as
long as it's what the people want then more power to them.
I only
object when, as I've seen happen to friends, the man tries
to tell the
woman that she has to end her entire career and live at
home if she
wants to be with him. It's these women who usually end up
handicapped, in that if they leave the marriage or are
left, they have
no job skills. That seems to be the major drawback in being
the stay
at home half of a couple.
Do the advocates of a FS future encourage young women will
break out of the
traditional child rearing/domestic roles to journey down
the career path and
strive to shatter the glass ceiling?
I encourage young women as I was encouraged...figure out
who you want
to be, and what you want to do, and do it. Everyone's
different, with
their own hopes, dreams, gifts, etc. I have friends who
went to
university only so they'd have a degree in case they never
married, or
were divorced and had to fend for themselves. Their dream
in life was
to have children and take care of the house. I also have
friends who
were determined to become doctors, dentists, vets, business
tycoons,
etc. Some of them shunned relationships because they feared
ending up
a housewife with children. They all chose their own paths,
and as far
as I know most of them found they were happiest with
something in
between. One of my oldest (long lasting) friends just
wanted to be a
mom and housewife, but instead her husband works full time,
she works
part time, and she takes care of the house. She found she
couldn't
stand being at home all day, and they're not ready for
children yet.
But, she was given the _choice_ to alter her life in a way
that would
make her happy and feel like a "whole person."
Do the advocates of FS accept the choices of women such as
my wife and value
the influence they will have on the next generation?
I certainly can't speak for all "advocates" of FS, as there
are wide
range of people and beliefs. I respect such choices, as
long as they
were actually the choices of the women in question, and not
an outside
force telling her that no matter what she _wants_ to be,
this is what
she _must_ be.
In achieving FS, how much of the change will come from
within the workplace?
Part of it will come from the workplace. As women stand for
less and
less harassment and general bad attitudes from the men they
work with,
the better behaviour in the office will hopefully translate
to better
behaviour outside.
How much will come from within relationships?
I think relationships can have a lot of power in our lives.
A man may
see all women as a bunch of flutterbrained idiots, and then
fall in
love with a very smart woman who refuses to be spoken to or
treated
that way, and he may find that he's happier with her than
anyone
else. Voila, one mind opened. Relationships also include
friendships. When people start refusing to laugh and nod
when their
friends start spouting misogynistic, racist, etc. stuff,
and instead
say, "You know, I think you're wrong."...I think that will
start to
point out that their views aren't as common as they like to
believe.
Dee-Ann
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Sorry, Starbound and Patricia. In deference to Mistress
Lady Jet, I'll call
myself kriv from now on.
Regards
kriv
what's my name? wrote:
What did I start here? Mistress Lady Jet, where are you,
now that I really
need you?
Peter aka peter aka big peter aka peter-pan aka peter pan
peter pan or kriv would be great... It's up to you... :)
Mistress Lady Jet
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kriv wrote:
Sorry, Starbound and Patricia. In deference to Mistress
Lady Jet, I'll call
myself kriv from now on.
Regards
kriv
what's my name? wrote:
What did I start here? Mistress Lady Jet, where are you,
now that I really
need you?
Peter aka peter aka big peter aka peter-pan aka peter pan
peter pan or kriv would be great... It's up to you... :)
Mistress Lady Jet
Starbound wrote:
So many Mistresses, so little time.....
you have been bad kriv!...Go to My room!.....
Starbound
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tricky aka peter aka kriv:
I ain't buying into this one..making it appear that we
DOMMES are
competing..such a male trick....I know we are all too good
for that...as
for me I chose to call you tricky....and so I will
Patricia
tricky aka peter aka kriv wrote:
Sorry, Starbound and Patricia. In deference to Mistress
Lady Jet, I'll call myself kriv from now on.
Regards
kriv
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peter wrote:
You are right, Patricia. Men like me should know our place
- I'm a
slut who'll lick the ass of any woman who wishes it!
peter<<
While I believe wholeheartedly in each person's right to
expression of ideas, I
have counted no less than 20 messages on the topic of what
to call this person.
Additionally, his responses are designed to elicit some
self-pleasing,
self-serving FD feedback for himself.
I thought this list was designed to provide a forum where
FS could be discussed
in a serious, thoughtful environment. Instead, comments
like the above from
peter do nothing except stroke the male ego/libido. Let's
move on!
Marissa
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
Re: When Malcolm Worked For Her
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Submissive pushing dominant.
Discarding Women
Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Sandbox play can get pretty gritty
Is it Always Like This?
FS exciting in action
Re: Stretching Limits:
Re: Is it Always Like This?
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Change of topic
Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
books
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: When Malcolm Worked For Her
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Paul/maidpaula wrote:
Malcolm- No, thank *you* for relating your experience. Your
views on
female supremacy are enlightening and a pleasure to read.
It sounds like it was a special and successful relationship
for you both,
albeit "unacknowledged". It will be interesting to see how
employer-employee relations evolve over time as women
achieve greater power
in the business world. I imagine they will change for the
better, but I
also have a small fear that power is just plain corruptable
to many,
regardless of gender. I hope my fear is unfounded, only
time will tell of
course.
I agree - Malcolm's post was pleasant reading; not to
mention something I
can relate to. I often do ver' good work, mostly when I'm
keyed up over
something interesting or exciting that I'm doing. But, I
consistently do
decent work at minimum when I've had a woman boss or
coworker whom I liked
and respected - in essence, I did better because I'd be
viewing it as doing
better for her. Given that I generally strive for a modicum
of profession-
ality, they'd never know -why- I did better, but.... ;)
So far as the fear about power and corruptability, well....
Definately,
both genders are susceptable to being corrupted. But -
power corrupts
most those who seek it for its own sake. And in general,
I've found
that women tend to acquire or seek power secondarily,
almost as a side
effect. They do good work - so they get promoted to
management, super-
visory, or executive positions, despite a system often
unfavorable to
them. Or they seek power - but because they need it for a
reason, be it
to correct problems with school systems, or economic
issues, or whatnot.
Those types, female or male, are less likely to be
corrupted, or at least
to a lesser extent. An' given that I find them more often
on the Goddess'
side of the gender line, I think things may well change for
the better as
women continue to gain equal influence, and then more. :)
Regards,
Chase / Lawless
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:53:34 -0500
From: Roland Foy
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Good call Dee Ann. You have protected this group from
what was little more than a cyber-stalker (and an
inarticulate one at that).
Roland
Why did god(dess) create men first? You always start with
the
proto-type, filled with bugs and imperfections. She did
how-
ever create a rather nice finished product on the second
try!
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:55:44 -0700
From: Spirit Wind
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
Subject: Submissive pushing dominant.
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Laura wrote:
I have been pushed a lot more than I have been
persuaded, and persuasion is better. The problem arises
when you have a
dominant who is not into what you are into.
The trouble with most of us men is, we subtly try to
manipulate our
wives and girlfriends into doing what turns us on, and we
are not shy
about using manipulative, phony tricks to get what we want.
It's bogus,
and wrong. Until we learn to stop being manipulative, and
truly
submissive and quite, listening and obeying, we will never
achieve true
spiritual calmness and bliss. To be truly submissive to a
woman,
without trying to control, manipulate or get off, is an
incredibly
wonderful experience. When you get to the point where you
obey in
total, even only reaching shangrela at her command, you go
into another
dimension that you can't reach by playing the shallow power
and get off
games so popular among us men. The deeper sensuality
achieved by being
totally consumed with a devotion to another, and to me that
means one
special person with whom you share that bond exclusively,
is deeply
spiritual and sexual, and absolutely guilt free. Guilt free
sex is not
an oxymoron. Some like it better that way of course! OK, if
you must,
fantasize if you need that bad boy feeling. It's not really
necessary,
but different strokes for different folks.(man, can you
have fun with
that one) Bliss? Oh yeah.
Ecstasy? Oh yeah. Calm, yet excited, submissive yet
exhilarated, and
strong yet totally weak and enraptured. Sounds like love to
me!
Peace and bliss to you my friends,
(For David: the bible, the bible, the bible,
thump thump thump...................NOT!!!)
Love and kisses,
Spirit Wind
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:17:01 -0700
From: Spirit Wind
To: femsupremacy-digest@renaissoft.com
CC: Patricia Noble
Subject: Discarding Women
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Patricia wrote:
what happens to your pure Amazon athelete..when gravity
sets
in...discard her for newer, tighter model...(that sounds
familiar), what
happens when your female athelete gets breast cancer and
has to have one
or both removed to save her life.
Patricia, you always get right down to the core issue don't
you. Love
means a person is worthwhile no matter what their sexual
value may be.
You are sometimes confrontational and abrasive, but you are
always
passionate, sincere, and usually right. I vote for the
older, looser,
breast less model, the overweight, less desirable according
to the
Madison Avenue, thin adoring society we live in. It's
what's on the
inside that counts, as you already know. If a man leaves
his lady
because she is sick or disfigured, or getting old, or fat
or in any way
less than the ideal, he is one shallow, foolish looser who
doesn't
deserve the love of a loyal devoted woman. He can go off in
search of a
bimbo to use, and they deserve each other. People are
people, she isn't
a rock, a playground, a sex machine, Santa clause, a
vending machine to
get out of whatever we WANT, SHE IS A PERSON, WORTHY OF
RESPECT AND
LOYALTY.
You are a courageous woman, who always says what she
believes, and
dares to be open and vulnerable, and I salute you for that.
Your all
right my friend.
Spirit Wind
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:48:16 +0200
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen
because we (xantippe) failed (as we did) to introduce
ourselves properly and in time? We overhere can not believe
that.Are you not cheating yourself by thinking that
Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded
by a * xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy be
deleted..are you faking? might be out of a urge need for
attention? Just get rid of your old grudges and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
Xantippe Movement.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:04:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: rrlelnd@escape.ca (David Land)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Message-Id: <199608291304.IAA27746@wpg-01.escape.ca
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Well here's another victim statement from old Xantippe. I
know where MY
delete key is.
I was wondering about that word, Xantippe. Is
it Greek for drivel?
LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is
deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen because
we (xantippe)
failed (as we did) to introduce ourselves properly and in
time? We overhere
can not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by
thinking that Xantippe
initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded by a *
xantippe text* on
the screen? It can so easy be deleted..are you faking?
might be out of a
urge need for attention? Just get rid of your old grudges
and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
Xantippe Movement.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:40 -0500
From: STALEY
To: "'femsupremacy@renaissoft.com'"
Subject: RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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please unsubscribe us after all this is not femsupremacy
but =
childsupremacy your system finds us to send the
childishness let your =
system find us to unsubscribe us
THANK YOU!!!!!! =20
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From: David Land[SMTP:rrlelnd@escape.ca]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 1996 3:04 AM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Well here's another victim statement from old Xantippe. I
know where MY
delete key is.
I was wondering about that word, Xantippe. Is
it Greek for drivel?
LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is
deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen because
we (xantippe)
failed (as we did) to introduce ourselves properly and in
time? We =
overhere
can not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself by
thinking that =
Xantippe
initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded by a *
xantippe text* =
on
the screen? It can so easy be deleted..are you faking?
might be out of a
urge need for attention? Just get rid of your old grudges
and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip =
imperfections*.
Xantippe Movement.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:45:50 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Message-ID:
FELauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction
which is deteriorat
FEXantippe Movement.
Well, I'd say that if your first posts were inoccuous,
even interesting, I'd say *this* one is pretty pompous
and arrogant!
Thank you, I am no longer interested.
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:56:30 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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patricia
xantippe wrote:
LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen
because we (xantippe) failed (as we did) to introduce
ourselves properly and in time? We overhere can not believe
that.Are you not cheating yourself by thinking that
Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded
by a * xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy be
deleted..are you faking? might be out of a urge need for
attention? Just get rid of your old grudges an
Xantippe Movement.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:08:09 +0000
From: "The Night-Hag"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Sandbox play can get pretty gritty
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From: STALEY
To: "'femsupremacy@renaissoft.com'"
Subject: RE: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:40 -0500
Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
please unsubscribe us after all this is not femsupremacy
but childsupremacy your system finds us to send the
childishness let your system find us to unsubscribe us
THANK YOU!!!!!!
Buttons, buttons....PUSH!!!
I have to agree, with watching all the "pushing and
shoving" going on,
I am beginning to wonder about the validity of the above
statement.
I'm reminded of a child's game, called " Buttons,buttons,
who's got the
buttons"..and once you find out..you *push* it.
It takes much more wisdom, maturity, and control to respond
to
someone than it does to react to them. Children, because
they are
immature, react. However, those who are hoping to reign
Supreme
need to learn to take the time to think through what they
are saying
and use their wisdom to find an appropriate response.
The Night-Hag
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Date: 29 Aug 96 14:25:03 EDT
From: Marissa <103267.1522@CompuServe.COM
To: Femsupremacy
Subject: Is it Always Like This?
Message-ID:
<960829182503_103267.1522_IHH87-1@CompuServe.COM
Gee, an action packed week here on the list. Is it always
like this?
Marissa
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: zbobz
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: FS exciting in action
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At 06:03 PM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
Tony, it's becoming obvious that you're going to pull an
adolescent
stunt every chance you get. I'm removing and banning you
from this
list.
Dee-Ann
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Gosh, that was exciting. Female supremacy in action: Women
making wise
decisions to make all our lives better. Women making their
world the way
they want it. More power to you.
zbobz
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: zbobz
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Stretching Limits:
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Kalika,
Thank you for sharing your lovely thoughts. Very nicely
said ... very
nicely conceived. What you say has the feel of deep
personal truth.
... in a Femsprem "environment", it is *always* the wishes
of the Goddess
that are to be met... fullfilled.
IMHO, males need to learn patience ... focus on the wishes
of the Goddess,
... to remain quiet ... to observe and learn ... to accept
deference to Her
as a natural occurance.
In so doing, he will grow both in his ability to please
Her, and also his
opportunity to experience the joy ... it is, really, a
natural thing.
zbobz
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:04:36 -0700
From: Jet
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Is it Always Like This?
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Marissa--
Sometimes it's very busy and sometimes it is not. It just
depends.
I enjoy it when it's busy because so much is being
discussed and so
much is going on. I also enjoy it when it's not so busy
because then
I can respond to more email from the list in an indepth
manner.
I have been on the list for about 4-5 months now (I
think--sometimes
it feels longer because I've learned so much here and met
so many
great people) and there is rarely a dull moment. You've
been lurking
so you kind of know what's happening, but the longer you're
on the list,
the more you learn.
Jet
Gee, an action packed week here on the list. Is it always
like this?
Marissa
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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xantippe wrote:
LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen
because we (xantippe) failed (as we did) to introduce
ourselves properly and in time? We overhere can not believe
that.Are you not cheating yourself by thinking that
Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling invaded
by a * xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy be
deleted..are you faking? might be out of a urge need for
attention? Just get rid of your old grudges and don't kick
newcomers before they are even aware of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
You will quickly learn that going into any online forum and
simply
starting to post ads is fairly ineffective and tends to
upset people.
Please don't now try to start fights here by throwing
around
accusations.
Dee-Ann
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
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David Land wrote:
Well here's another victim statement from old Xantippe. I
know where MY
delete key is.
I was wondering about that word, Xantippe. Is
it Greek for drivel?
Let's quit all of the sniping back and forth, shall we?
Dee-Ann
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: feydancer@earthlink.net (Phoenix)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Change of topic
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<199608292227.PAA06896@iberia.it.earthlink.net
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De-lurking again...
After several weeks of aggravation, my new PC is running
smoothly and
connected to the net again. I now know more than I ever
wanted to about
Windows '95! Anyway, I thought I'd toss out a few things...
Just finished re-reading Adjit Mookerjee's _Kali, The
Feminine Force_. It's
a richly illustrated and well-written book. I think anyone
interested in
femsupremacy would find it interesting. (Those who follow
Goddess paths may
find it downright inspirational!)
A tidbit from the book... "There is no jewel rarer than
woman, no condition
superior to that of a woman. There is not, nor has been,
nor will be any
destiny to equal that of a woman..." (from the Saktisangama
Tantra)
I also wondered if anyone has read _The Gate to Women's
Country_ by Sherri
S. Tepper? (science fiction) The most interesting concept
in the book is
gradually uncovered in the story, so I won't relate it
here. But I will
describe the predominate social structure. In a
post-nuclear-holocost world
a society has been organized in which there are a series of
towns
(Marthatown, Peggytown, etc). Each town has a garrison
attached to it filled
with (male) warriors. All the women (and men known as
"Servitors") live
within the walled towns. The women are well-educated and do
all the work of
maintaining the society (farming, fishing, trading, etc.).
Warriors, of
course, fight. Tepper is a wonderful author and the story
is an entertaining
read which also explores the relationship between the sexes
and a possible
ending of patriarchy.
--Lady Phoenix
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:03:59 -0500
From: kriv@interlog.com (peter)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Deterioration-.Xantippe gets the blaim
Message-Id:
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I suggest people treat this the same way I deal with a
mosquito bite. Try
to ignore the discomfort for a couple of days and it will
go away.
peter
xantippe wrote:
LauraPatriciaTonyPetere.o. generated a chainreaction which
is
deteriorating this list.Do you all let this happen because
we (xantippe)
failed (as we did) to introduce ourselves properly and in
time? We
overhere can not believe that.Are you not cheating yourself
by thinking
that Xantippe initiated the said chainreaction? Feeling
invaded by a *
xantippe text* on the screen? It can so easy be
deleted..are you faking?
might be out of a urge need for attention? Just get rid of
your old
grudges and don't kick newcomers before they are even aware
of their
own*maidentrip imperfections*.
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:41:42 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: books
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has anyone else read "Woman at the edge of Time." by Mary
Daly...it is
fiction...that's more than fiction.
Patricia
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 193
Today's Topics:
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Intruders - good and bad
UNSUBSCRIBE
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
When Malcolm Worked For Her
Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Re: Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
presenter(s), speaker for 2/97 conference in Seattle (fwd)
Bye bye, Tony
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Adult D/S Resorts for Couples???
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:38:10 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume
there is
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list?
Tony, I'm the one who said that. As for the rules of the
list, I'll leave
it up to the Dee-Ann our illustrious List Mistress to
rebuke me if it's
called for. Now Tony, unless you want to look like a
troublemaker, practice
what you preach.
I have no problem with xantippe being here, and I have no
complaint with
coyote. But xantippe should realize pretty quick that
honesty is the best
policy here.
I have seen the xantippe posts on asb and asfd, and felt
all along that it
was, ~at best~, someone trying to reinvent the wheel. I see
no evidence
that an actual organization of any kind is represented. If
an actual
organization is represented, the spokesperson should
identify him/herself by
name or nom de plume, and say that they represent said
organization, and in
what capacity. Whether or not that person is an official
spokesperson
should be stated, and verifiable. Otherwise this person
shall be treated as
an individual, and a delusional and possibly fraudulent one
at that. That
is the way it is.
I am plenty friendly to people who are honest and polite. I
have little
tolerance for folks like xantippe jumping up on the soapbox
seconds after
arriving to tell us all how to do our thing. IMHO, xantippe
should try
learning something before he presumes to teach. I saw no
evidence that
xantippe had any respect for the worthy women and men of
this list, and if I
seemed harsh, it was because my protective instincts were
aroused on your
behalf.
Laura Goodwin
"Who is she who appears like the dawn
Fair as the moon, bright as the sun,
Terrifying as an army with banners?"
(Song of Solomon 6:10)
the subject "help".
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Date: 28 Aug 96 17:28:40 EDT
From: OhEadhra <101342.2030@CompuServe.COM
To: FS
Subject: Intruders - good and bad
Message-ID:
<960828212839_101342.2030_GHW83-1@CompuServe.COM
Oh dear - here we all go again ! Why is it that whenever a
suspect mail arrives
in our list, mayhem ensues !
It has happened a number of times since I had the luck to
discover this group. A
posting arrives, usually from someone totally unknown, and
all of a sudden the
most amicable and cool minded people have erupted into
verbal warfare. Why !
Surely we are all aware that there are numerous fifth
columnists out there on
the wicked Net who thrive on disrupting (or attempting to
disrupt) well ordered
intelligent discussion groups. It is how they get off !
They usually creep in -
crap - and creep out - never to heard of again.
IMHO, the best way to deal with such invasions is to ignore
them. Usually, if
they are genuine, they will reveal themselves and interface
in a manner
befitting this group. Even the most crass of interlopers
will quickly depart
when not fed with the anger they lust after. We should as a
group politely turn
our backs on them, and continue our conversations as though
they did not exist.
Why should the occasion of Patricia threatening to leave
ever become an issue,
if it is occasioned by someone who has posted very few
missives of import. I do
not understand ! No one person can be liked by everybody,
and there are some
people who you would decidedly not want to be liked by
anyway. Patricia, you are
admired and liked by many in this group, and I personally
look forward to (and
usually predict) your red-headed outbursts, they are
sometimes total gems !
Please carry on - but beware the *agent provocateur*, they
are conrolling you,
and you are certainly not one to enjoy being controlled :-)
I have continually been amazed at the level of intelligence
found in the
writings posted to this group, let us make sure that no Net
Lowlife disrupts us
again.
In the meantime, if genuine, we may look forward to
*xantippe* re-posting here
in an intellectual manner that will promote intellectual
response rather than
mutual verbal abuse.
Dennis (t.o.m)
PS
Coyote Sings - I still love you ! I think you may be in for
some discipline -
every cloud has a silver lining !
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:59:21 -0500
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To: "'femsupremacy@renaissoft.com'"
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
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To: FS
Subject: Intruders - good and bad
Oh dear - here we all go again ! Why is it that whenever a
suspect mail =
arrives
in our list, mayhem ensues !
It has happened a number of times since I had the luck to
discover this =
group. A
posting arrives, usually from someone totally unknown, and
all of a =
sudden the
most amicable and cool minded people have erupted into
verbal warfare. =
Why !
Surely we are all aware that there are numerous fifth
columnists out =
there on
the wicked Net who thrive on disrupting (or attempting to
disrupt) well =
ordered
intelligent discussion groups. It is how they get off !
They usually =
creep in -
crap - and creep out - never to heard of again.
IMHO, the best way to deal with such invasions is to ignore
them. =
Usually, if
they are genuine, they will reveal themselves and interface
in a manner
befitting this group. Even the most crass of interlopers
will quickly =
depart
when not fed with the anger they lust after. We should as a
group =
politely turn
our backs on them, and continue our conversations as though
they did not =
exist.
Why should the occasion of Patricia threatening to leave
ever become an =
issue,
if it is occasioned by someone who has posted very few
missives of =
import. I do
not understand ! No one person can be liked by everybody,
and there are =
some
people who you would decidedly not want to be liked by
anyway. Patricia, =
you are
admired and liked by many in this group, and I personally
look forward =
to (and
usually predict) your =11red-headed=12 outbursts, they are
sometimes =
total gems !
Please carry on - but beware the *agent provocateur*, they
are =
conrolling you,
and you are certainly not one to enjoy being controlled :-)
I have continually been amazed at the level of intelligence
found in the
writings posted to this group, let us make sure that no Net
Lowlife =
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:41:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: pgm@servtech.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: When Malcolm Worked For Her
Message-Id: <199608282241.SAA05442@cyber2.servtech.com
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At 08:34 AM 8/28/96 -0400, Malcolm wrote:
The correspondence about working for her struck a deep
chord in my memory.
For some years I ran my own small consultancy to Computer
Graphics firms.
About eight years ago, I worked for one such which was
quite a substantial
competitor in the commercial typesetting business. The CEO
was a woman in her
forties named Martha. Gradually, she spent more and more
time with me. Our
relationship lasted about two years. In the beginning, our
awareness of the
unspoken nature of it excited us both, I think. There never
was an overt
sexual component, but I had a deeply satisfying time of it,
and, I like to
think she did, too.
During that time, the unacknowleged relationship we were
enjoying gave me the
greatest delight. I think my actual work for the company
was of a better
quality than I regularly could achieve because my
relationship with Martha
was so deeply fulfilling. This suggests to me that as women
become ever more
senior in business, as the glass ceiling shatters, there
will be many men who
have the opportunity to find an important component of
themselves and their
masculinity through submisive-dominant relationships with
women at work, and
Isn't that an optimistic notion to treasure in these grey
times?
Thank you for the chance to share this, and to recall that
happy episode in
my life!
Malcolm- No, thank *you* for relating your experience. Your
views on
female supremacy are enlightening and a pleasure to read.
It sounds like it was a special and successful relationship
for you both,
albeit "unacknowledged". It will be interesting to see how
employer-employee relations evolve over time as women
achieve greater power
in the business world. I imagine they will change for the
better, but I
also have a small fear that power is just plain corruptable
to many,
regardless of gender. I hope my fear is unfounded, only
time will tell of
course.
Warm regards to all, Paul/maidpaula
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:58:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
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xantippe wrote:
We are looking for LADIES/GIRLS for the promotion,set
up,and management of a worldwide network of the said
communities
inwhere the later global FS is imitated.
Please respond.
No submales..unless intended to sponsor
support,or contribute.
I think the negative reactions to your posts comes from the
fact that
you came onto this list and simply started placing ads.
Most of us
have never heard of you (I don't read a.s.f right now, so I
certainly
haven't) and I know I'm certainly not interested in joining
any
organization I know nothing about. Participating in
discussions also
helps people to get to know you.
So, unless you intend to post some actual in depth
information about
yourself and your "movement," please refrain from posting
ads on this
list.
Dee-Ann
List Administrator
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:53:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
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lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I noticed lately lots of cool female characters in film.
All the women in
*Pulp Fiction* weren't your usual molls. We are talking
interesting women
characters who show intelligence and grit. They have
adventurous lives.
The Doctor played by Madeline Stowe in *12 Monkeys* is an
example.
I rented "Nick of Time" the other night. It's also another
one for
good woman and man characters. It shows a man as a caring
father,
who's not a testosterone maniac. There are women on both
the good and
bad sides, and they're all decently done characters.
Perhaps what
made it significant was that the good guys were good guys,
and the bad
guys were bad guys. They didn't really go out of their way
to
create a difference between the women and men. None of that
"sex
crazed psycho bitch" thing going on.
Hopefully this is a trend. :)
Dee-Ann
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Tony, it's becoming obvious that you're going to pull an
adolescent
stunt every chance you get. I'm removing and banning you
from this
list.
Dee-Ann
Tony wrote:
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a flame, in
that (1)
you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant" without
making a
good-faith effort at understanding what her/his motives and
underlying
messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical fire by
further
labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping the
poster in the
face before you learned anything about her/his ideas. (All
in all,
these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics, to
me!) And to
think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily by
many of the
regular contributors to this group (including, I believe,
yourself) for
using somewhat milder language in response to what I still
contend were
pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or unwitting.
Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe" are
aimed at
"femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are simply
aimed at
proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on the
giving or
receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level at
these posts
is that they are too brief and the English is not perfect.
Otherwise,
they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely wish
the poster
would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
she/he is having a little trouble communicating in perfect
English (we
all make mistakes from time to time).
Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
Tony
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: presenter(s), speaker for 2/97 conference in
Seattle (fwd)
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Forwarding this here in case anyone knows of a suitable
woman to
recommend to speak at this conference.
From: "Decker, Emily"
Subject: presenter(s), speaker for 2/97 conference in
Seattle
Hello, everyone. I am delighted to find you all, and wonder
if you can help
me with a conference I am planning in Feb. the group I work
with, the
Washington Center, does professional development for all
the higher ed
institutions in Washington state. We are based at Evergreen
state college in
Olympia, WA.
We've been asked to convene a conference for about 250
people on Feb 14-15,
at the Seatac Marriott near the airport. the subject is
technology.
Most of the people who have been suggested as presenters
are white men, and
one of our two keynote speakers is a white man, a professor
from Texas. I
want to find a woman to be our other key-noter, and I am
looking for women
who want to do workshops that could help all these faculty
and
administrators imagine themselves as shapers of technology,
inventors of
uses that fit their values, rather than seeing themselves
simply as
disempowered consumers. Even a workshop on what VS is, and
why it's here,
would be terrific. Anyone know anyone in the Puget Sound
area I should
contact? Please help. I would like this not to be like
every other tech
conference I've been to, with boys and toys and not much
else.
Thanks.
Emily Decker
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:43:41 -0400
From: Laura Goodwin
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Bye bye, Tony
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At 06:03 PM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
Tony, it's becoming obvious that you're going to pull an
adolescent
stunt every chance you get. I'm removing and banning you
from this
list.
Dee-Ann
Thanks Dee-Ann.
Laura Goodwin
"Who is she who appears like the dawn
Fair as the moon, bright as the sun,
Terrifying as an army with banners?"
(Song of Solomon 6:10)
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:08:29 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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oh thank you Dee Ann...he was more than a pest and the idea
that he was
laying in wait for my next error was really creepy..thanks
Patricia
the subject "help".
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:20:43 +0100
From: "Christine & David Stevenson"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Adult D/S Resorts for Couples???
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Christine & David replying to
femsupremacy@renaissoft.com who
wrote on 26 Aug 96 about Re: Adult D/S Resorts for
Couples??
My Mistress/Wife and I are searching for a resort that
specializes in
providing a D/S type of environment for vacationing
couples. Does anyone
know of any resorts of this type?
Our own Christine and David Stevenson have just the
place!!! Common'
David... tell him all about it!!!
I'm laying on my back reading what looks like a flame war.
A
lovely post by zbobz, an inspiring one from malcolm and
many
others.
I have a slipped disc which has responded well to three
days on
my back and now I have the keyboard on my lap. (a couple of
weeks ago I was nursing Christine through the same problem.
Now
it's my turn. Must suggest a nurse's uniform for Christine.
Though I wonder if she'll go for it?)
Thank you Jet and Leather for suggesting our place. But I
think
NeedDomFem@aol.com is looking for a place that offers a d/s
environment.
Nowadays we don't do that. (Pity, but it don't pay the
bills).
We are just d/s folks offering a conventional environment
now.
You can do what you like in your villa and we will not know
about
it, unless you care to tell us the juicy details over an
evening meal. :)
However, being understanding folk, we tend to put our d/s
friends in properties with as much privacy as we can find
them.
Equally, if you can put together a group yourselves, we'll
try
and find you somewhere where you can all play together.
If anyone does know of a d/s holiday club that is still
running, I'd like to know too. The one in Spain is, as far
as I
know, no longer operating, having changed hands a couple of
times before going silent. We decided discretion was the
better
part of valour after first a national magazine, then a
local
newspaper, then the authorities (in blue) all took too much
interest in what became labelled. "Europe's number one SM
hotel
here in Portugal". I think that's a fair translation of one
of
the headlines. We made the front cover too!
Maybe my marketing was too good? The police seemed to think
we
had a club crammed full of showgirls just itching to
perform on
stage. They got a bit of a shock when they found Christine
and I
and a I, not a showgirl or stage in sight.
If you are out there d/s club, we can put enquiries your
way.
(about 1% of which will make a booking! one day when the
kids
have grown up.) :)
Just teasing. But the volume will not make you rich. With
all
the free copy and promos we got from Forum magazine and
others, we
were lucky if 10 couples a year were brave enough to try
it.
Trying to organise groups is not for us any more. You do
the
organising and we'll find you the properties. Sound fair?
BTW. Forum UK is a thoroughly good magazine that supports
worthy
causes. If you start the club, drop them a line, they'll
probably give you a bit of coverage.
Oh, and John we don't have a dungeon. A bit too dramatic
for
our homely type of domestic fem-dom. The cupboard under the
stairs is more Christine's style. But if you were looking
for a
dungeon in England you would just have to pick up a copy of
Forum. At least two advertise there almost every month.
Strange
how the UK version of that magazine has always been much
kinkier
than it's US counterpart. Maybe it's true what they say
about it
being the English vice. (Sorry Dennis t.o.m. maybe it
applies to
both sides of the Irish Sea and even into the Gaeltacht.)
love,
David
________________________________________________
Christine & David Stevenson
http://www.nixnet.com/MsChristine
....Authors of the Fem Dom Training Program.....
........Runs on all IBM compatible PC's.........
Advises on how best to train your husband/lover.
Email enquiries to:- cstevenson@mail.telepac.pt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 192
Today's Topics:
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
get your information correct TONY
Xantippe gets boofed up
Re: get your information correct TONY
Re: Xantippe gets boofed up
empusae has one of THOSE addresses
this one went wrong place too
Re: Working for Her
Re: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
Re: this one went wrong place too
Re: get your information correct TONY
Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:39:51 -0700
From: olskool@ix.netcom.com (Tony)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Message-Id: <199608280439.VAA07372@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com
You wrote:
I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
Patricia...
introduction would have been nice
lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
Only when the younger generation*girls* are
stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to expand
to a
dynamic
worldwide movement
with political power.
Please forward opinions and ideas.
_Xantippe Movement_.
Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe movement"
person,
and why
the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a fig
for "her"
opinion?
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume
there is
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a flame, in
that (1)
you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant" without
making a
good-faith effort at understanding what her/his motives and
underlying
messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical fire by
further
labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping the
poster in the
face before you learned anything about her/his ideas. (All
in all,
these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics, to
me!) And to
think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily by
many of the
regular contributors to this group (including, I believe,
yourself) for
using somewhat milder language in response to what I still
contend were
pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or unwitting.
Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe" are
aimed at
"femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are simply
aimed at
proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on the
giving or
receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level at
these posts
is that they are too brief and the English is not perfect.
Otherwise,
they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely wish
the poster
would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
she/he is having a little trouble communicating in perfect
English (we
all make mistakes from time to time).
Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
Tony
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:41:58 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: get your information correct TONY
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excuse me Tony..i don't know what your beef against me is
but.....I did
not write the statement: pretty arrogant shit....what is
your
problem....I did not deserve the first crap you gave
me...and I
certainly don't deserve this one....It was Laura who wrote
the
original..." Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement." If you would thoughtfully read your email
instead of blindly
thrashing about for something I might have done wrong..so
you can attack
me again...you would have known that.
You still have never apologized to me for the first one,
and you will
probably never apologize for this one either. You are
continually an
abuser...and this is the final straw.
I am asking you to get off of this list, or I will. You are
negative,
destructive and looking for a woman to abuse...I will not
let you have
at me twice. In the real world once would have thrown you
out on your
ass. But even in this world I do not deserve and will not
allow myself
to be a victim of your misplaced,ignorant, testosterone
driven, blind
wrath.
So Laura he's talking about what you said here, and I
assume you have
some feelings about his attack on you as well......
As to the continuation of these advertisements by X...this
is a
community of people first. Throwing wild advertisements
here is
inappropriate without first introducing yourself and having
some sense
of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a house
on a country
lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while you
slept...almost
like an invasion.
Patricia
Tony wrote:
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume
there is
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a flame, in
that (1)
you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant" without
making a
good-faith effort at understanding what her/his motives and
underlying
messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical fire by
further
labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping the
poster in the
face before you learned anything about her/his ideas. (All
in all,
these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics, to
me!) And to
think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily by
many of the
regular contributors to this group (including, I believe,
yourself) for
using somewhat milder language in response to what I still
contend were
pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or unwitting.
Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe" are
aimed at
"femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are simply
aimed at
proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on the
giving or
receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level at
these posts
is that they are too brief and the English is not perfect.
Otherwise,
they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely wish
the poster
would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
she/he is having a little trouble communicating in perfect
English (we
all make mistakes from time to time).
Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
Tony
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
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Non original-primary thinking will not lead to anything.
Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
_Xantippe MOVEMENT_
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:58:26 -0500
From: kriv@interlog.com (peter)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: get your information correct TONY
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I vote for Patricia to remain and Tony to leave.
Patricia, please do us a favor and just delete his postings
when you see
they've arrived.
peter
excuse me Tony..i don't know what your beef against me is
but.....I did
not write the statement: pretty arrogant shit....what is
your
problem....I did not deserve the first crap you gave
me...and I
certainly don't deserve this one....It was Laura who wrote
the
original..." Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn
movement." If you would thoughtfully read your email
instead of blindly
thrashing about for something I might have done wrong..so
you can attack
me again...you would have known that.
You still have never apologized to me for the first one,
and you will
probably never apologize for this one either. You are
continually an
abuser...and this is the final straw.
I am asking you to get off of this list, or I will. You are
negative,
destructive and looking for a woman to abuse...I will not
let you have
at me twice. In the real world once would have thrown you
out on your
ass. But even in this world I do not deserve and will not
allow myself
to be a victim of your misplaced,ignorant, testosterone
driven, blind
wrath.
So Laura he's talking about what you said here, and I
assume you have
some feelings about his attack on you as well......
As to the continuation of these advertisements by X...this
is a
community of people first. Throwing wild advertisements
here is
inappropriate without first introducing yourself and having
some sense
of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a house
on a country
lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while you
slept...almost
like an invasion.
Patricia
Tony wrote:
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume
there is
Patricia:
Doesn't what you just said above (i.e., "[P]retty arrogant
shit")
constitute a flame? And isn't flaming against the spirit
and the
by-rules of this mailing list? I believe it is a flame, in
that (1)
you labelled the poster's message as "arrogant" without
making a
good-faith effort at understanding what her/his motives and
underlying
messages were; (2) you added fuel to the rhetorical fire by
further
labelling these posts "shit", metaphorically slapping the
poster in the
face before you learned anything about her/his ideas. (All
in all,
these sound like typically male "Neanderthal" tactics, to
me!) And to
think that a few months ago, I was berated summarily by
many of the
regular contributors to this group (including, I believe,
yourself) for
using somewhat milder language in response to what I still
contend were
pretty outrageous falsehoods, be they witting or unwitting.
Also, how do you know that these posts from "xantippe" are
aimed at
"femdoms"? That is a big assumption. Maybe they are simply
aimed at
proponents of female supremacy, like myself, who have
nothing to do
with classic BDSM, and who have never practiced it on the
giving or
receiving end. The only criticism I can rightly level at
these posts
is that they are too brief and the English is not perfect.
Otherwise,
they are interesting and provocative, and I sincerely wish
the poster
would further elucidate her/his ideas about female
supremacy, even if
she/he is having a little trouble communicating in perfect
English (we
all make mistakes from time to time).
Come on, xantippe, let's hear more!
Tony
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:24:22 +0000
From: "Empusae"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Xantippe gets boofed up
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Non original-primary thinking will not lead to anything.
Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
_Xantippe MOVEMENT_
From the looks of the postings, you certainly have stirred
up alot of
non-original primary thinking...like "I dont like you and
what you
say, so I am going to take my toys and go home.
Empusae
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:00:06 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
Message-ID: <32245EF6.1CE2@tiac.net
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and what the Hera does non-original primary thinking mean.
If it is not
original...it is a copy of something else. If it is primary
...like the
primary numbers it is unique onto itself and cannot be
divided by any
other number but itself...
so I guess we are being accused of not original, original
thinking....heavy....my mere female brain reels
is it related to snakes and original sin?
"The time has come,"
the Walrus said, "To talk of many things:
of shoes,
and ships,
and sealing wax,
of cabbages and kings,
and why the sea is boiling hot,
and whether pigs have wings."
from: Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Patricia
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:01:41 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: this one went wrong place too
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what is happening to this list. it is deteriorating
quickly.
if this person would have introduced themselves instead of
flooding my
mail box with some message for ladies and girls....
who is taking their toys and going home...my message to
tony had nothing
to do with the X stuff...if this is going to become the
femsupremacy
place ads for whatever you want list....it is not what I
joined for.
I joined to dialogue with intelligent women and men and not
be drowned
in ads from strangers.
Patricia
Empusae wrote:
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:11:53 +0200
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
From: xantippe@cd-online.nl (xantippe)
Subject: Xantippe gets boofed up
Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Non original-primary thinking will not lead to anything.
Thank God it has creative people among *like cs*.
_Xantippe MOVEMENT_
From the looks of the postings, you certainly have stirred
up alot of
non-original primary thinking...like "I dont like you and
what you
say, so I am going to take my toys and go home.
Empusae
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:34:59 -0400
From: Oldlow@aol.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Working for Her
Message-ID: <960828083458_395871825@emout10.mail.aol.com
The correspondence about working for her struck a deep
chord in my memory.
For some years I ran my own small consultancy to Computer
Graphics firms.
About eight years ago, I worked for one such which was
quite a substantial
competitor in the commercial typesetting business. The CEO
was a woman in her
forties named Martha. Gradually, she spent more and more
time with me. Our
relationship lasted about two years. In the beginning, our
awareness of the
unspoken nature of it excited us both, I think. There never
was an overt
sexual component, but I had a deeply satisfying time of it,
and, I like to
think she did, too.
Within months, I found myself accepting a vice-presidency
in her company, but
Martha also allowed me to assume the duties of a private
secretary. We flew
back and forth between Boston and one or another European
city about once a
month. Martha spoke no European languages. I do, so I think
I was as useful
arranging salon appointments as sales represeentative
meetings. I could tell
when she was tiring, and would usualy arrange a cancellable
appointment with
a beauty salon for late in the afternoon. She loved having
facials. So did I,
but I never infringed on my position by asking to join her
at the same salon.
Nevertheless, she recognized this and allowed me the time
for my own small
pleasures, sometimes sending me off for a massage or facial
she had already
paid for.
I did more and more for her. We shopped together. I hemmed
and made small
alterations to her new purchases in my hotel room at night.
I'm sure she realized quite soon that I wore women's
underwear as a matter of
habit, so, once when we were pressed for time in Hamburg, I
offered to wash
some of her necessaries along with my own. After that, it
was an unspoken
agreement. I took care of both our wardrobes, always going
to her room in the
evening when I knew she wasn't there to collect the wash
and to leave a
freshly-laundered and folded nightgown on her bed after I'd
turned it down. I
helped with makeup, with long conferences on dressing, and
with small details
of her person. More than once I gave her a pedicure of an
evening when there
had been no time for a salon and there was an early flight
in the morning. I
loved to see her glorying in her healthy womanhood. It made
deeply happy in
the certainty that I had contributed some small component
to her joy of life.
Martha was married, but her husband had another position.
He never travelled
with her. Martha was by nature a dominant woman. I adored
her and wondered
occasionally about her marriage. Perhaps it was not unlike
her relationship
with me which based on unspoken acceptance of feminine
dominance and
masculine submission.
During that time, the unacknowleged relationship we were
enjoying gave me the
greatest delight. I think my actual work for the company
was of a better
quality than I regularly could achieve because my
relationship with Martha
was so deeply fulfilling. This suggests to me that as women
become ever more
senior in business, as the glass ceiling shatters, there
will be many men who
have the opportunity to find an important component of
themselves and their
masculinity through submisive-dominant relationships with
women at work, and
Isn't that an optimistic notion to treasure in these grey
times?
Thank you for the chance to share this, and to recall that
happy episode in
my life!
Malcolm
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
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Coyote Sings wrote:
'Twas I who wrote to the Xantippe 'movement' and invited
'them' to join us
here and on alt.women.supremacy. When I did this, I had all
the Usenet
information noted by Lawless and had in mind all the usual
reservations
expressed here today and some of my own as well: it's the
cops, it's a
19-year-old guy in a turned around baseball cap eating
chocolate-chip
cookies, it's a 52-old-guy (which makes him almost =my=
age, Heaven
forfend), it's the Religious Reich, etc. It even occurred
to me that
_mirabile dictu_ they could be who they say they are!
Usually when I privately write to people to tell them about
this List, I
make sure to say something like, 'as long as you don't
flame and treat
everyone with respect it's a _safe place_.' It has always
been a safe
place for me with my _really_ nutty Dead White Male ideas
and less than
Ladylike attitude, for which I am grateful to all of you:
can't it also
be that way for someone whose only real difficulty seems to
be a less
than perfect command of English and a slight cluelessness
about the good
work that has been done before, on & off the Net?
Feh. Coyote, I hadda a feeling someone told him about the
list, but....
You actually read all Xantippe's Girlie ads (I won't call
them posts) on
asfd an' invited him here, apparently without even thinking
to suggest
that he/she/it/them lurk a while and -not- make the kinds
of posts he did
on Usenet? I guess I'm not really surprised.... Not at all
in a bad
kinda way, mind you - more a matter of you being -too-
nice. ;)
Forgive me all this effrontery from a sincere if bratty
little brother,
but I find this reception of Xantippe something less than
Sisterly.
Less than Sisterly? I disagree - even sisters get a little
peeved when
they start getting flooded with sloppy little notes
basically asking
them to give their names, (email) addresses, and personal
information to
someone who doesn't know them, doesn't bother to introduce
themselves,
and addresses them in what feels like a patronizing kind of
way.
Besides, I'd like to hear a _lot_ more about their idea of
networked
small FS communities, because, like it or not, the time of
tribalism is
upon us, folks. Chou-En-Lai said, "Let a hundred flowers
bloom."
*blink* Wasn't aware we'd heard -any- of his/their ideas -
just someone
asking GIRLs and LADYs to contact him, and that
males(submales) shouldn't
unless planning to offer financial support for what seems
an awful lot
like personal fetishistic fantasies.
-- \_awless is : Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
-- In your head, no car is fast enough,
-- In your heart, no love is true.
-- Will it ruin all your solitary fancies
-- If I tell you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:56:00 +0000
From: "The Night-Hag"
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:00:06 -0700
From: Patricia
Organization: MAINartery
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
Reply-to: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
and what the Hera does non-original primary thinking mean.
If it is not
original...it is a copy of something else. If it is primary
...like the
primary numbers it is unique onto itself and cannot be
divided by any
other number but itself...
so I guess we are being accused of not original, original
thinking....heavy....my mere female brain reels
is it related to snakes and original sin?
I am not sure what you are trying to imply about my email
address?
You have sent mulitple copies of this post in private email
to me.
I have one of THOSE addresses? It is a simple address so
that even
simple people can write to it. Empusae@ibm.net
Implying it is one of _ THOSE addresses_ might give someone
the impression
I am from AOL.
Empusae...The Night-Hag
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:13:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: imagery@biddeford.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: this one went wrong place too
Message-Id: <199608281413.KAA02349@mail.biddeford.com
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At 08:01 AM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
what is happening to this list. it is deteriorating
quickly.
if this person would have introduced themselves instead of
flooding my
mail box with some message for ladies and girls....
who is taking their toys and going home...my message to
tony had nothing
to do with the X stuff...if this is going to become the
femsupremacy
place ads for whatever you want list....it is not what I
joined for.
I joined to dialogue with intelligent women and men and not
be drowned
in ads from strangers.
Patricia
I am wondering if I am missing some of the posts from here,
I haven't
been flooded with ads. I do agree with you; I look forward
to intelligent
conversation too.
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: get your information correct TONY
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Great - on one hand we've got Tony once again demonstrating
an inability
to read clearly when it gives him an opportunity to be
catty and get
back at someone he has a grudge against, on the other, a
good member of
the list laying down "Either you go or I go" ultimatums.
Sorry, Patricia - while I do understand where you're coming
from, in not
wanting to read this list if you're going to have to wade
through posts
like Tony's and Xantippe's, I do think it's going
overboard, if not out
of line, to make such statements. I'd -much- rather see the
two of them
leave then you, or Laura Goodwin, or Coyote -- but so
long's its just one
or two such people that offend, you can always delete their
posts without
reading. And then wait for social Darwinism to either
induce them to
evolve, or to find an environmental niche more compatible
with them.
Patricia concluded:
As to the continuation of these advertisements by X...this
is a
community of people first. Throwing wild advertisements
here is
inappropriate without first introducing yourself and having
some sense
of our community. It feels like going to sleep in a house
on a country
lane that you have worked hard to preserve to wake up
finding someone
has put a flashing neon sign on the quiet road while you
slept...almost
like an invasion.
Exactly - it feels like sleazy advertisements showing up in
your kitchen,
or in your Reader's Digest or what not.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
the subject "help".
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:28:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (FemSupremacy)
Subject: Re: empusae has one of THOSE addresses
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The Night Hag wrote:
I am not sure what you are trying to imply about my email
address?
You have sent mulitple copies of this post in private email
to me.
I have one of THOSE addresses? It is a simple address so
that even
simple people can write to it. Empusae@ibm.net
Implying it is one of _ THOSE addresses_ might give someone
the
impression I am from AOL.
She's not implying anything - she's pointing out the fact
that you've
one of those 'Reply-To:' lines that make people's automatic
replies go
to you instead of the list. *That* is why you get multiple
copies -
because they send it to you personally, notice, and resend
to the list.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 191
Today's Topics:
Re: Stretching Limits:
Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Re: Greetings
A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
Re: Working for Her
Re: Dungeons for rent?
Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
Re: Greetings
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 05:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (FemSupremacy)
Subject: Re: Stretching Limits:
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Kalika wrote:
I feel that it is solidly the responsibility of the male,
as the
representative of the male principle, to accede to the
wishes / desires of
the Goddess. In doing so, he may, if it has been previously
agreed to, or if
this is an occasion of "open" dialog ... he may then offer
to Her, his
readiness to assist Her in the expansion of Her "horizons".
However, if this
has not been agreed to previously, and it is not now a time
of open dialog /
discussion, then he must wait until such a time occurs. At
no time, should
he make even the *slightest* effort to "push" his desires /
wishes, on Her.
If She allows him to make this offering, but She declines
for whatever
reason (an no reason need be given IMHO), the matter is
*closed* until the
next scheduled "dialog". Certainly, a Goddess may find
pleasure in knowing
that Her male wishes to "extend" himself in order to please
/ pleasure Her
... and this knowledge, when properly offered, can in and
of itself, be a
source of pleasure for Her, even if She has no interest in
such an
expansion, at this time.
IMHO, males need to learn patience ... they need to learn
to subdue the male
ego and focus on the wishes of the Goddess, ... to remain
quiet ... to
observe and learn ... to accept deference to Her as a
natural occurance.
(This could also, sometimes, be taken to apply to males on
this List
In so doing, he will grow both in his ability to please
Her, and also his
opportunity to experience the joy, the bliss that can occur
when the ego is
made quiet and the true essence of the male principle then
comes forth. This
is an occasion of joy for all ... it is, really, a natural
thing.
Well, I'm not going to go off over your early use of
'always', and I most
certainly agree that most people, probably males above all,
should learn
a lot more patience. But I may take some exception with the
last sentence,
first quoted paragraph, "At no time should he make the
*slightest* effort
to push his desires on Her."
Now, I note also the references to dialogs in which the
male can express
himself, presumably in terms of his feelings, needs, and
desires, and I do
see where these might be sufficient to allay my concerns.
It'd all depend
on the frequency and nature of the dialogs, and how much
communication was
allowed on the part of the male....
If they're infrequent enough, then I personally wouldn't
think it improper
for him to bring something to the Lady's attention.
'Pushing' his wishes
on her, perhaps, but hopefully not in a demanding way. For
instance....
He might be getting stressed out, perhaps from a need for a
little more af-
fection, perhaps a need for the catharsis of some pain. If
it's been too
long since a period of open communication in which he was
formally allowed
to bring such matters up, I wouldn't think it improper for
him to subtly
bring it to his Lady's attention - she may be Goddess, but
she's probably
not omniscient.
The key, imo, is patience - not expecting instant
gratification, and not
bringing it up at the first pangs of longing. Acceding to
her will is all
good and fine, yes; indeed, I'd think that he should be
going out of his
way to please her, before bringing something up. But it's
still a
relationship, one in which both (or all) party's needs must
be met, else
the relationship is likely to eventually self-destruct.
Again, I'm not sure that what Kalika wrote, and meant, is
contrary to what
I just did; just a matter of slightly differing emphasis.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
the subject "help".
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:24:46 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Message-ID:
FEOnly when the younger generation*girls* are
FEstimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to
expand to a dynamic worl
FEwith political power.
FEPlease forward opinions and ideas.
FE_Xantippe Movement_.
I have two daughters, aged 23 & 26, who are both
powerful, well-educated and devout feminists.
Each has devoted her professional life to adressing
the problems of powerlessness in less fortunate
women's lives.
So, we are on our way!
B
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: 27 Aug 96 09:42:11 EDT
From: Marissa <103267.1522@CompuServe.COM
To: "INTERNET:femsupremacy@renaissoft.com"
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Message-ID:
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Xantippe writes:
Only when the younger generation*girls* are
stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to expand
to a dynamic
worldwide movement
with political power.
Please forward opinions and ideas.
_Xantippe Movement_<<br />
Actually, what younger generation Women require are
positive Female role models
that demonstrate what is possible in their lives both
personally and
professionally. Then and only then may FS grow to its full
potential.
I grew up with a mother who was a university professor who
also demonstrated
through her support of my actions that anything I wished to
try for was
obtainable. Additionally, she was extremely comfortable and
confident in her
sexuality and self-image. We shared many happy hours
discussing my
hopes/desires/fears for the future as well as a number of
conversation about how
better things might be if Women were viewed differently.
It was also obvious now in retrospect that my household was
a microcosm of FS in
action as Mom was the breadwinner and Dad deferred to her
on most key issues. He
also adored and worshipped her. From this setting I am sure
I formulated my
opinions and then added to them relative to FS. I only hope
that if and when
someday I have a Daughter, I can be half as successful with
her as Mom was with
me.
Marissa
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:32:41 -0700
From: lalaura@ix.netcom.com
To: xantippe@cd-online.nl
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
Message-Id: <1996827103422341@ix.netcom.com
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On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
Only when the younger generation*girls* are
stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to expand
to a dynamic
worldwide movement
with political power.
Please forward opinions and ideas.
_Xantippe Movement_.
Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe movement"
person, and why
the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a fig
for "her" opinion?
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume there is
at least one actual person behind this so-called movement,
and I'd
ordinarily like to know who the hell it is, but in this
case I have been
given no good reason. If "xantippe movement"'s expressed
views were at
least fresh, either heartfelt or interesting or both, then
maybe I'd be
intrigued, but the way it stands, it looks like some lonely
sub trying to
defraud femdom women into corresponding via email.
As for the idea of uniting femdoms and female supremacists
worldwide, lots
of us are already working on it and have been for decades,
and no Janie-
come-lately who doesn't know her history and who has no
name is going to
improve much on the good work that's already been done.
Laura Goodwin
Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
thing I know how to fast!
the subject "help".
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:32:54 -0500
From: sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
Message-ID:
FEWe are looking for LADIES/GIRLS for the promotion,set
up,and management of a
FEinwhere the later global FS is imitated.
FEPlease respond.
FENo submales..unless intended to sponsor
FEsupport,or contribute.
FE_Xantippe Movement_.
May I have more information, please?
CybErotiComm Online
the subject "help".
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:50:19 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
Patricia...
introduction would have been nice
lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On 08/27/96 14:07:07 you wrote:
Only when the younger generation*girls* are
stimulated to Female Superiority, FS wil be able to expand
to a dynamic
worldwide movement
with political power.
Please forward opinions and ideas.
_Xantippe Movement_.
Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe movement"
person, and why
the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a fig
for "her" opinion?
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...I
assume there is
at least one actual person behind this so-called movement,
and I'd
ordinarily like to know who the hell it is, but in this
case I have been
given no good reason. If "xantippe movement"'s expressed
views were at
least fresh, either heartfelt or interesting or both, then
maybe I'd be
intrigued, but the way it stands, it looks like some lonely
sub trying to
defraud femdom women into corresponding via email.
As for the idea of uniting femdoms and female supremacists
worldwide, lots
of us are already working on it and have been for decades,
and no Janie-
come-lately who doesn't know her history and who has no
name is going to
improve much on the good work that's already been done.
Laura Goodwin
Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
thing I know how to fast!
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:51:37 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: FS-minicommunities depend on LADIES effords
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besides...i am neither a lady or a girl...nor do I aspire
to be one....
Patricia
sorceress@CYBEROTI.COM wrote:
FEWe are looking for LADIES/GIRLS for the promotion,set
up,and management of a
FEinwhere the later global FS is imitated.
FEPlease respond.
FENo submales..unless intended to sponsor
FEsupport,or contribute.
FE_Xantippe Movement_.
May I have more information, please?
CybErotiComm Online
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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Noble Patricia wrote:
I agree with Laura....feels like junk mail to me...
Patricia...
introduction would have been nice
lalaura@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Thanks for reminding me...who is this "xantippe movement"
person, and why
the hell should any true femdoms give a feather or a fig
for "her" opinion?
This Xantippe person appears to be a male, 52 years old,
over in Europe,
with a persecution complex and plans to come to the USA,
who among other
things is looking for some generous soul to house him in
the name of
furthering female supremacy. :)
Aren't you glad you asked for an introduction? Note: This
information
culled from xantippe's -public- postings on alt.sex.femdom.
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...
*chuckle* Yep. I thought -I- was pretty arrogant, but....
;-)
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:14:52 -0700
From: Patricia
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Global FS depends on motivated GIRLS
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good information and sleuthing.....good job
Patricia
Chase Vogelsberg wrote:
This Xantippe person appears to be a male, 52 years old,
over in Europe,
with a persecution complex and plans to come to the USA,
who among other
things is looking for some generous soul to house him in
the name of
furthering female supremacy. :)
Aren't you glad you asked for an introduction? Note: This
information
culled from xantippe's -public- postings on alt.sex.femdom.
Pretty arrogant shit, posing as a whole damn movement...
*chuckle* Yep. I thought -I- was pretty arrogant, but....
;-)
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Greetings
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Marissa and eric wrote:
After awhile lurking and reading the wonderful postings on
this list, I
have decided to come out into the open. My name is Marissa
and my husband
is eric/maid erica. We have been involved in a FS lifestyle
for a number
of years and while I knew there were others like ourselves,
I have never
previously felt comfortable being open about it with
others. My thanks to
all of you for providing the environment in which to do so.
We look
forward to being active participants in the community.
Greetings an' salutations - nice to have you here with us,
so to speak. :)
I'm glad to hear you found this a comfortable space /
environment; not all
the people here on the list are FS (or even femdom)
lifestylers, but I
think you'll find that anyone who isn't at least friendly
towards such is
encouraged to leave the list faster than they joined. Then
again, you've
been lurking a while, so you already know that. ;)
Blessed be,
Chase
PS: Dee-Anne, see? I -can- post a nice friendly something
or other from
time to time.
-- \_awless is : A wolf, wild at heart, with a heart of
darkness.
-- Chase Vogelsberg (lawless@netcom.com /
lawless@eskimo.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is
above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your
drink.
-- Alexis A Gilliland
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com (Female Supremacy List)
Subject: A Safe Place? Xantippe's welcome.
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Friends-
I am doing my best to stay lurked until after the US Labor
Day weekend and
possibly longer, at least until my new PC is here and up
and I finish the
work I am doing at the behest of both my SWMBO and my Wise
Woman teacher
(otherwise unnamed). I owe some of you private mail for
some very kind
posts you have made, and I've got the guilts about that.
But several posts
have prompted me to post before I should.
'Twas I who wrote to the Xantippe 'movement' and invited
'them' to join us
here and on alt.women.supremacy. When I did this, I had all
the Usenet
information noted by Lawless and had in mind all the usual
reservations
expressed here today and some of my own as well: it's the
cops, it's a
19-year-old guy in a turned around baseball cap eating
chocolate-chip
cookies, it's a 52-old-guy (which makes him almost =my=
age, Heaven
forfend), it's the Religious Reich, etc. It even occurred
to me that
_mirabile dictu_ they could be who they say they are!
Usually when I privately write to people to tell them about
this List, I
make sure to say something like, 'as long as you don't
flame and treat
everyone with respect it's a _safe place_.' It has always
been a safe
place for me with my _really_ nutty Dead White Male ideas
and less than
Ladylike attitude, for which I am grateful to all of you:
can't it also
be that way for someone whose only real difficulty seems to
be a less
than perfect command of English and a slight cluelessness
about the good
work that has been done before, on & off the Net?
Forgive me all this effrontery from a sincere if bratty
little brother,
but I find this reception of Xantippe something less than
Sisterly.
Besides, I'd like to hear a _lot_ more about their idea of
networked
small FS communities, because, like it or not, the time of
tribalism is
upon us, folks. Chou-En-Lai said, "Let a hundred flowers
bloom."
Peace to all, and welcome Xantippe, whoever you are :)
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: amfas@netcom.com (Coyote Sings)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Working for Her
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Thanks to the wonderfully supple mind of the mysteriously
named zbobz and
to our new friends Marissa and eric -to whom Welcome!- for
this inspired
thread.
THe resaon I haven't been posting here is because I have
been up to my
uhm, eyeballs in Working For Her -several Hers, in fact-
these last
several weeks. This in fact has been my life for the last 4
or 5 years,
and it is getting more and more like this all the time.
All of my customers/clients except one are now Women, and
all of the
people I work with -they can no longer be called
'subcontractors,' can
they?- on different jobs are Women. It's a loose gaggle
-call it a guild
if you wish- of mostly post-corporate entrepreneuses who
are very aware of
themselves both as Women and as sovereign in the market and
elsewhere in
public life. One is my SWMBO of some years, others are
longtime friends,
some are fairly new but trusted acquaintances.
This arrangement now extends to well beyond making a
living: my spiritual
life, my money (such as it is) and most other aspects of my
life are now
in the hands of Women. My MD is still male- a very
enlightened one- but
that's about it.
There are other men in this community here and there, but
the whole tone
and spirit of all that we do is manifestly Feminine. Not
only are we
post-corporate, but live by the values of cooperation,
communication,
trust and a loosely circular view of power relationships.
Most of us feel
that we have transcended- and will outlive- the old
economic model of
competition, covetousness, exclusion, cynicism and
hierarchy. We feel that
we actually understand capital and investment in a way that
the good ol'
boys -whom I have deserted- never did. And when we're
cookin,' the money
is pretty good, too. :)
but
We are not Utopia: Earlier this summer I took a real
economic hit because
I strayed back into the old way of thinking about business
relationships,
and it will take me a year or two at least to dig out of
that little hole.
But this time I have the Big Sisters, the guild, the Tribe,
by whatever
name, there to help me and wish me well, and to keep me
busy. :)
The Women I work with, and their men, come in all flavors-
some are 'in
the Life' with crops and needles, some are a rich French
Vanilla; some are
as witchy as any of you, some are Christians; the ages
range from late 20s
to about 60, 3 are straight, the majority are richly bi, a
strong minority
are joyous, righteous dykes. All are Feminists of one
stripe or another
and all have a rich sense of both personal and collective
Womanhood. All
have a story of really hard times and have definitely paid
their dues. In
other words, they're a lot like You. :) Whatever my current
woes, in this
Sisterscape that surrounds me I am richly blessed.
Thanks to Marissa for giving us the 'look and feel' of a
Womanshaped
workplace: It's a much saner, calmer place, and my
impression is that
males who work for Women are far more realized as
individuals and in
their creative echoes than those still trapped in the boys'
club. Or so
it is with me (with or without the toenail polish- sounds
yummy, I admit).
Free at last,
--
coyote sings / man and sky / amfas@netcom.com
Show up. Lighten up. Pay attention. Feel awe. Make it
count.
The rest is hidden.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:10:45 -0800
From: leather@zephyr.net (leather)
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Dungeons for rent?
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jwaren wrote:
does anyone know if it is possible to rent a room or
whatever equipped as a
dungeon with all the basics to set the proper mood ? To
make this even more
difficult might there be something of this nature located
in the midwest ?
I don't know if you can access this publication in the
midwest... but there
are a few mags out here that carry ads for this stuff.
Check out T&A Times
and Erotica. You also might have some success in the
current publication of
"The Black Book", published by Amador Communications, PO
Box 31155, San
Fransisco, CA 94131-0155, Phone # (415) 282-7368... about
$12-15.
Gotta run... good to see you on this supreme list!
fondly,
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:28:28 -0700
From: lalaura@ix.netcom.com
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Just saw 12 Monkeys on PPV
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I just saw the movie *12 Monkeys* (finally) and thought it
totally rocked.
My kids didn't understand the ending...I said it's a happy
ending, because
the lady scientist there on the plane means that they are
wise to the bad
guys and will stop them, saving humanity. I believe it's
possible that
even the Bruce Willis character can be saved, why not? They
go back in
time, don't they? :)
I noticed lately lots of cool female characters in film.
All the women in
*Pulp Fiction* weren't your usual molls. We are talking
interesting women
characters who show intelligence and grit. They have
adventurous lives.
The Doctor played by Madeline Stowe in *12 Monkeys* is an
example.
Laura Goodwin
Siddartha could wait, think and fast. I can do
all that plus sing, dance, act and write. Good
thing I know how to fast!
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee-Ann LeBlanc
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: Greetings
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Marissa wrote:
After awhile lurking and reading the wonderful postings on
this list, I have
decided to come out into the open. My name is Marissa and
my husband's name is
eric/maid erica. We have been involved in a FS lifestyle
for a number of years
and while I knew there were others like ourselves, I have
never previously felt
comfortable being open about it with others. My thanks to
all of you for
providing the environment in which to do so. We look
forward to being active
participants in the community.
I'm so glad that you feel this list is a comfy place. :)
Welcome!
Dee-Ann
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femsupremacy-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 188
Today's Topics:
Re: child abuse fantasy?
Re: Domination in the Grief process
Re: child abuse fantasy?
child abuse fantasy?
Re: child abuse fantasy?
Nice change of pace...thanks
Re: child abuse fantasy?
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chase Vogelsberg
To: femsupremacy@renaissoft.com
Subject: Re: child abuse fantasy?
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Christine & David wrote:
I bring to your attention a matter which disturbs me
greatly.
I recently received a letter which contained what purports
to
be the true story of a Lady named b******. It was apparent
that
this story had been posted to Alt Sex Bondage back in 1994.
Was it a cry for help, and if so what should I do about it?
Is it just fantasy, and if so should I do more than I have
done?
The story tells the life of a girl sexually abused from the
age
of three by her legal guardian in Europe. Handed on to
others
to act in service and eventually ending up in apparently
joyful
slavery in America.
Well now.... I've known the person pretty well online for a
couple of
years, I know her current owners, again online, have seen
them interact,
and have a few very good personal friends who know them in
person, an' I
know the particular posting of hers which you refer to. I'm
kinda curious
as to how / why she sent it to you, but.... It's not a cry
for help,
being as she's -quite- happy with her current situation,
and it's not a
fantasy story. It's an explanation of who she is, what she
is, so's people
can understand where she's coming from.
I give you my reply to the sender below.
I give you my response to your reply.
---- response :
The story, whether fantasy or not, appears to justify child
abuse, by the apparent happy ending of your life in
slavery. If
it is a true story, you would be doing the world a favour
if you
re-wrote it to remove the 'happy ending'. If it is true you
are
breaking no laws that I know of by circulating it.
If it's true, and she rewrites it so's not to bruise your
sensibilities,
then it's no longer true, it's no longer a good explanation
of her life.
Perhaps history books and biographies should be rewritten
to remove all
reference to things that may disturb people? People don't
have a divine
mandate to do the world a favour, especially when and if it
means denying
who and what they are.
If it is a fantasy, I think you should remove all
references to
the period before your induction in France. The child abuse
sections are most disturbing, and prompted me to consider
many
and various ways of rescuing you from a life which is built
upon
absence of consent.
If it is
fantasy then you run the risk of criminal action being
taken
against you.
Blood an' bone, -if- it's a fantasy then the author has a
right to
express what is, after all, her fantasy. If it disturbs
you, then don't
read it. Reading ASB, ASFD, and even some -good- BDSM
fiction such as
Pat Califia can give almost anyone glimpses of things that
a number of
people are going to find unpleasant, unenjoyable, and even
down right
offensive or disturbing. Personally, I feel quite a bit of
distaste at
most of the forced feminization, castration, degradation
type of femdom
'fiction' out there - but I don't try and tell the other
people they
should change their writing so's it isn't noncon fantasy
material.
So far as criminal action, if it's fantasy?